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What an amazing surprise, no. 94: "Girah" was a dirty cheat after all 
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Just spotted on the Twitter.

http://pokerfuse.com/news/poker-room-ne ... ring-scam/


Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:03 am
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LOL @ that article. Amazing to me people get scammed like this because it's always obvious to me who's shady as fuck and I'm a terrible judge of character. Also despite what some of the high stakes players say girah does not have an amazing poker mind. I've seen him discuss poker and constantly made false assumptions with no logic behind them. Dude has been a scammer from jump street.

Edited: Removed one little part because someone else wants to blow up the spot and it's there place to do it not mine.


Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:07 pm
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Well got posted on 2+2 now but apparently won't be posted here but Haseeb Quereshi aka DOG_IS_HEAD aka InternetPokers is definitely involved with this and gave the good old scammer if you talk about this we won't pay you.

"there is NO way we can agree to bank transfer you guys money if you are going to put our names in a public statement about all of this" referring to himself & Jungleman Daniel Cates though the latter's involvement hasn't been as clearly defined.


Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:42 pm
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here's the new 2+2 thread on this with Cliffs and copy/pastes of the important posts

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/ne ... m-1079792/


Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:10 pm
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Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:26 pm
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I just read the AIM messages. Wow. Jose Macedo comes across like a total sociopath, worried only about losing his sponsorship and the damage to his reputation and not at all remorseful. He kept lying up until the end and is still claiming his "friend" was the one playing. This is probably just the tip of the iceberg for this guy's scams. What a POS.


Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:19 pm
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miconswife wrote:
I just read the AIM messages. Wow. Jose Macedo comes across like a total sociopath, worried only about losing his sponsorship and the damage to his reputation and not at all remorseful. He kept lying up until the end and is still claiming his "friend" was the one playing. This is probably just the tip of the iceberg for this guy's scams. What a POS.



Strangely, the post that stuck out in that thread for me was the kid from Portugal who doubted his story from the get-go for a few reasons. Geography of where he said he lived, school timing, etc. The kid comes to light as a self-proclaimed prodigy up millions, is immediately pimped as such by DIH, but still spends many hours cultivating small thefts? Doesn't make sense unless the whole thing was simply a set-up, and the kid was picked to play a role. The next Isildur phenom to grab action for guys who couldn't get action otherwise.

I mean, it seems fairly obvious he isn't what he said, so how does DIH back up his claims so quickly if he isn't legit? Seems the only way is if Jose was a myth of their own creation. I can't imagine Cates being involved, but with so much of his money tied up, DIH getting crippled by Isildur only to have that money flow to the Cardrunners guys through chicanery, it makes you wonder if these guys were at wits end and did something shady. The we backed him story simply thinking ahead for when the screenshots of transfers pop up. The claims to be going to live with him simply cover for all the ip's matching before this blew up.


Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:33 am
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Shit's sick how poor people are handling it involved. Haseeb is 100% involved in shady shit and threatened they wouldn't get paid if they let his involvement go public. Most of them didn't want to mention his involvement. Someone comes out and actually posts his involvement when the others didn't. One of them is not Haseeb's involvement went down. I can confirm it is 100% how shit went down and some of the players who got scammed didn't want it to come forward so they could get paid.

I don't know why people consistently trust scammers after they've been scammed.


Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:02 am
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Hopefully, We have seen the end of these young kids who deposit $50 in a poker account and a year or two later...Bingo, they have millions of dollars.

Somewhere Justin Bonomo "zeejustin" is laughing his ass off.
Since, he never blatantly cheated this bad, he only multi-accounted.

Brian Townsend, another guy who was multi-accounting and colluding with other players, he went on a $6 million dollar down swing last year. He thinks he has mastered all forms of cheating (poker) and is the best player in the world in No-Limit Hold-em, PLO, and mixed games as well. He looks out on the Pacific Ocean in his home in Santa Barbara pondering his return...moving to Canada and multi-accounting the shit out of PokerStars and PartyPoker.


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Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:18 am
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My theory, posted here for when I get the Noah SD Ban hammer on 4

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=28046567&postcount=1062

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This is in no way a judgement or insult or whatever... but is it within the realm of possibility that JM and DIH are a couple and Girah was to be their Portugal man servant and they were to all 3 live in paradise and make millions of dollars and this elaborate cover up attempt was in fact an attempt to keep this plan in tact?

It may sound like I am being funny or insulting or whatever, but honestly, thats not my intention, this is as good a conspiracy theory as most others and I think it is in the realm of possibility and would explain a whole bunch.


Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:54 am
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ThreeUp3Down wrote:
Shit's sick how poor people are handling it involved. Haseeb is 100% involved in shady shit and threatened they wouldn't get paid if they let his involvement go public. Most of them didn't want to mention his involvement. Someone comes out and actually posts his involvement when the others didn't. One of them is not Haseeb's involvement went down. I can confirm it is 100% how shit went down and some of the players who got scammed didn't want it to come forward so they could get paid.

I don't know why people consistently trust scammers after they've been scammed.

I found it disturbing that DIH aka "papa bear" (wtf??) was complaining that he couldn't live with Jose if all of this became public. But if it didn't become public, he was totally fine living with a scumbag who cheated his own "friends." ??? The chat logs with DIH make him look very bad.


Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:45 am
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DIH's long blog post about his involvement with Girah:

http://www.cardrunners.com/blog/interne ... ah-scandal


Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:47 am
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and his follow up post on 2+2 after his blog post

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Alright, I've just woken up and have finally gotten a few hours sleep after all of this. Looking back on the blog post I wrote last night, I really wish I had slept on it rather than writing it all in one go. It came out really angry, especially with everything having come down on me all at once and feeling really overwhelmed and stressed out. That being said, I'm going to do my best to reply to some of the points stated here by you guys.

1. The line "what happened is between me, Jose, etc." was obviously a very poorly worded phrase, and I've taken it out. What I meant was that the entire matter before it went public was between us, the scammed, jose, etc., because we all had very important vested interests in how it came to light. Jungle and I had a lot of money involved in this situation, the scammed of course had their reparations to be sorted out, and so what I meant to say that I didn't think it was fair to say that for trying to hold this thing from going public that I was being disingenuous. What I meant was obviously NOT that Jose scamming people is not something the public should know about, nor my playing on his account, etc.

2. Yes, the stake and debt were separate. There was a 40k debt to Jose while he was in makeup due to the housing. Jose definitely had his own money, we know this for a fact. We have no proof of millions, but we know that he had some.

3. There was no talk whatsoever of me bribing anybody 30k to hold back the story. The 30k was reparations to be paid to the victims BY JOSE. I was not going to pay that. I promised to help pay them out for their initial losses by the scam, and that was it. I was not involved in anything more, but when they told us (contradicting their earlier promises) that they were going to include our names when they went public, I told them then we'd prefer if Jose paid them out himself instead of us bank wiring them money (once it became clear he was able to pay out of his Lock account). But at no point did I take away the promise that I'd pay them out if Jose reneged on his payment.

4. I only played on Jose's account once. Period. If you want details on who Jose scammed and how much, ask the victims involved and they'll give you the breakdown, I asked them simply for one total number and one bank account to send to.

5. We were not going to take his action in these 25/50 give back 1bb/100 matches, in fact we strongly discouraged them because we thought they were ridiculous. AFAIK he never took one except against bigguylegend, who refused to play him after a few sessions because he thought Jose was very good.

6. I am not in debt to anyone, and the stake was split between me and Jungle 50/50. Ashton was there when we both decided to stake Jose, so he may be able to attest to that.

7. I changed my name from "ipokeder" to "DogIsHead" because I turned 18 and started playing with accounts in my own name since I could have my own bank account, etc. I vaguely recall the incident in question where I got coaching from MDMA without telling him who I was when I knew he otherwise wouldn't accept me because we argued on 2p2 all the time. Honestly I find it kind of odd that this is being brought up as a charge against me for paying some guy who doesn't like me for coaching back when I was 18? But okay.

8. There were many periods over which I had more or less involvement with Jose, especially while I was moving around and around Black Friday, because we were so busy dealing with other ****. Most of it was at the start.

9. Not sure who's saying I can't pay my debts or why. I am not in debt. It would be hard to put up the cash to stake people if I were in debt.

10. The more I am reading about the evidence against Girah's alleged millions won and previous accounts, I am honestly starting to question all of it. But I have no idea what to think of it or where to begin doubting things. I do remember him showing me lots of HH's that he played against GreeceP (Isildur) at 25/50 because he was asking me about doing an instructional video on one of his early blogs, and I told him doing one on an Isildur HH would be a really good idea. I still don't know what to think.

11. I was pretty angry in my blog post, and for that I apologize. It wasn't a very level-headed way to do it, but I had just gotten to my place in London and had been writing for 3-4 hours straight to get all of that out without any sleep. I wish I could re-write it more sensibly, but the only right thing to do is let it stand as is. But I don't think that I have been narcissistic to include the details that I did about Jose looking up to me and praising my writing, etc. - I wanted to portray with leaving out as few details as possible our relationship, and I think the fact that he obviously thought a lot of me was important to understanding it. I'm sorry if you guys think I was stroking my own ego, but that wasn't what it was about. I just tried my best to portray the full story as best I could.

Any more questions that you guys have I'll try to answer if they're stated clearly.

Haseeb


Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:01 am
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Martha, I take it you have been following this all along just like I have... What is your opinion on what exactly happened with all parties involved?


Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:07 am
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jasep1980 wrote:
Martha, I take it you have been following this all along just like I have... What is your opinion on what exactly happened with all parties involved?

I've only been following the cheating threads. I didn't follow the Portuguese Poker Prodigy stuff, so I'm not entirely sure how that all went down. From what I've read so far, I don't think there's evidence that DIH or Jungle were involved in the scamming. DIH probably used Girah for multiaccounting / sharing accounts, and I find his claim that he only played on Girah's account once (the *one* time he got caught and got him disqualified from the Bluff challenge) really hard to believe. And, like I said above, I think it speaks to his character that he was still willing to live with the kid as long as the scam didn't become public. Can't really tell with Jungle what his involvement is or if it even goes beyond vouching for a kid he didn't really know and shouldn't have vouched for. It's weird that in DIH's posts about this, he claims to speak for Jungle, always saying "we" this and "we" that. I don't know DIH, but get a bad / shady feeling about him from reading the chat logs, his posts and his blog. There's an arrogance there that is disturbing.


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Wanted to add that, from what I have read on the PPP stuff, I think Girah's bankroll and online success was greatly exaggerated. Not sure whether or not the people hyping Girah on 2+2 knew this and were deliberately creating the prodigy persona or were misled by Girah's exaggerations. I don't know enough about the PPP stuff. Did anyone here follow that closely? Was a possibly faked HEM the only evidence that the kid ran it up to millions?


Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:33 am
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miconswife wrote:
Wanted to add that, from what I have read on the PPP stuff, I think Girah's bankroll and online success was greatly exaggerated. Not sure whether or not the people hyping Girah on 2+2 knew this and were deliberately creating the prodigy persona or were misled by Girah's exaggerations. I don't know enough about the PPP stuff. Did anyone here follow that closely? Was a possibly faked HEM the only evidence that the kid ran it up to millions?


I have followed all of it on and off, He didn't release screen names because he was underage at the time, just numbers and there was never any hard evidence of his success, although vouching from such respected people as DIH, JM and Sauce put a lot of the speculation to rest. I think there is something deeper going on here and I think that a gigantic portion of the high stakes online community are shady fucks....

My take...

First and foremost I have no idea why I get this vibe so strongly but I feel like these guys have a romantic relationship, other than that I feel like DIH befriended this young portugese kid and saw this as an opportunity to take advantage of the situation and make a shitload of money... Building this kids rep will always have a short term effect of people wanting to challenge him (see isildur) but what the challengers didn't realize is that they were actually playing two of the better and one of the best HSHUNL players in the world that had full data on them....

Once this kid started to steamroll in popularity they figured they could benefit further by writing everything he put out there, posts, training videos, etc... He got picked up by lock and it was 100% rakeback, and it was like hitting a jackpot for these guys, between the poker strategy money, the lock money and crushing HU regs who had no idea who they were playing this was a perfect storm of scam.... They all 3 decided to move in with each other and spend their days in a sweaty, hairy, man loving adventure of rim jobs and check raises.... But Girah wanted to show his two housemates that he was smart enough to pull off shennanigans as well, so he went rogue, and turns out he wasn't smart at all...

DIH tried covering it up because he didn't want to lose his twink or his cash cow but that backfired horribly and jungleman just doesn't want to be outed so he is staying away...

Just My take...


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Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:49 am
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Lock and Poker Strategy cut Girah immediately yesterday and no Cardrunners has cut Haseeb.... pwned

http://www.cardrunners.com/article/932/cardrunners-statement-regarding-haseeb-qureshi/


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Okay here's my opinion on everything regarding Girah & the situation. I have more info then most about it as a long time player on Merge network & as a friend of someone who was in the HU group.

1) Regarding his disqualification from the Bluff challenge for multi-accounting. I didn't follow it after the story broke but it's amazing to me that everyone somehow believes that it why he was disqualified. I don't doubt the multi-accounting occurred during this but that is not the real reason why. If anyone was paying attention to it girah just put up massive numbers in the few days before and didn't put up like 100k by grinding his ass off. He beat a couple dudes no one had ever seen before or since as far as I know. I don't know what he had to gain from this since he already had a deal so I imagine it Lock offered some incentive to win it if they didn't actually had a direct hand in it. All high-stakes merge regulars immediately said the fix was in. I know some of them definitely e-mailed Lock saying they were going to expose this fraud. Like I said I didn't follow up on it after it broke but amazed me reading on this no one points this out since I'm sure the theory had to have been floated in the forums. It certainly was on this one: girah-possible-cheating-conspiracy-lock-poker-removed-from-minutes-t80456.html?hilit=lock%20girah

2) I have seen some of what girah wrote in the group and watched his video. He is definitely not what he was made out to be. I had problems with shit he wrote every time I saw it & everyone in the group seemed to be considerably better then him but for some reason almost none of them saw this. I guess they were blinded by the fact jungleman & everyone else was on his nuts. I wasn't in the group so I only pointed this out to my friend.

3) Haseeb first wanted the entire thing kept quiet and intended to move in with girah still if this was never made public. That alone shows he's guilty as fuck. He then 100% tried to get their silence involving his & jungleman's involvement telling them they couldn't guarantee their money if their names were exposed in this. He later tries to say it sounded different then it intended but his explanation makes no sense. As everyone from this board knows saying stfu or I won't pay you is the first thing scammers always say. Jungleman who was a super champion of girah and is now saying he barely knew him.

4) I have no clue what the end game was or if DIH & Jungleman directly knew of the cheating but they definitely had some shady grand plan but jungleman will skate and DIH might as well depending on how adamant people are about the two things above.


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A 2+2 mod has now confirmed that the original LookingForProdigy account on 2+2 had the same IP as girah's 2+2 account

This was the original thread LookingForProdigy posted:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/ne ... fo-964270/


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