Editor's Note: With this thread over 30 pages long, you likely are intimidated by the size of this whole thing, and probably want to just get down to the nitty-gritty. If you want a pretty good summary of what former mod FckVwls did to NWPer "icfishies", go to this link:

http://www.neverwinpoker.com/forums/shooti...63386-st86.html

That takes you to the middle of page 5 of this thread. Read that long post and you'll mostly be up to speed. The rest is a lot of arguing back and forth between Vwls' yes-men and the rational people who see things how they really are. Or, if you want to read it all from the very beginning, follow along below....











Vwls, I have to admit that it makes me a bit sick to my stomach to read about your righteous indignation in regards to the "false accusation" that you ripped off someone from NWP.

I don't know about all of Micon's evidence, but I was sent some very strong information that, in all honesty, makes you look really bad. I would be shocked if the information I was given was false, given all that I have seen.

I wish I could state more, but unfortuantely it's not my call. The person who revealed it to me does not want this made public. I will not betray them.

However, at the same time, I feel you're using this lack-of-outing as a way to prove to everyone that we're making this whole thing up. We're not.

So, Vwls, I have some very direct questions for you. Please think carefully before you answer them.

1) Do you currently owe any known NWP member, whether currently active or not, more than $100?

1a) If so, how much, and why do you owe them this money?

1b) When were you expected to pay this person back? How much have you paid them so far? When was the last time you paid them?

1c) Did you come to owe this person money through legitimate means, or did you roll them in some way?


2) If you DON'T owe any known NWP member more than $100, I would like you to swear on your daughter's life that you owe nobody you ever met from NWP more than $100. I am interested to see how far you are willing to take this cover-up.


If you at least own up to the fact that I'm not pulling this out of my ass (and contact me to make arrangements to start paying this person back), I won't make the story public. I am just tired of being called a liar, and I am tired of you portraying yourself as far more honest than you actually are.

Again, think carefully before you answer this one. And please also think before making up a BS cover-up story, because I know way more than you can ever imagine I know.

Sorry it had to come to this. Someone repost this on boris.

let her have it druff

Michael, in ever-protective friend-mode, wrote the following to Angel (Vwls) on Boris:



I can answer that question, Michael.

She can benefit from responding by clearing the air once and for all. If she really has nothing to hide, she should have no problem swearing on her daughter's life that she doesn't owe more than $100 to someone from NWP, and that will be that.

For example, if someone came out and accused me of rolling them, I would be proud to answer to the accusations and declare openly that I have cheated nobody and am not covering up any sort of shady dealings.

I want to see if Vwls will have the nerve to deny this until I actually bring out the details. I want to see how far she'll take the denial.

That seems to be her M/O. She will deny everything and act sweet and innocent until she's 100% sure that you really have the goods on her.

Rather than drop the goods right now (and betray this person at the same time), I want to see how far she'll take her insistence that she did nothing wrong to anyone from NWP.

Also, you guys know me pretty well by now.

Would I be accusing her of such a thing without substantial information to back up my claims?

There's no way I would be coming on so strong with just some bullshit hearsay. Trust me on that one especially.

What's it matter, she's not here anymore and if your story holds any truth at all, your Newhouse-like bud can air it out.

Don't see the point in antogonizing each other over and over, squash the beef and let the diff forums continue.

Also, how did you know I was mikhail?

Vwls is immortal though, and even if she did roll somebody nobody will care or dislike her all of a sudden.

I'll tell you what the problem is.

I am sitting here reading boris, and to be honest, the only thing getting me mad over there is her arrogant demands for apologies regarding these "false accusations". She actually has the nerve to accuse Micon of making the whole thing up in order to vilify her.

Unbelievable.

I don't give a shit about all of the trash talk over there about Micon shitting the bed, me being an attention-hungry Jew, or any of the other crap. I've seen that sort of thing for 5 years on this site and reading it on boris doesn't faze me.

But damnit, Vwls' indignant attitude about these accusations really tilts me, because I know the truth. If she didn't make such an issue out of this, I would have kept my mouth shut, but I just can't keep quiet any longer.

Vwls, please admit to the people that, yes, you did roll someone. Then please contact me to arrange payment details for this person, which I will be glad to help facilitate if you want. This is a joke. You don't have to tell people the story, or even who was involved, but PLEASE stop acting like you never cheated anyone from NWP.

seriously, todd?
i mean, does pouring salt on a wound help it heal?
or is this part of the 'process' of making NWP better again?

of ALL the people here, i really and truly never thought YOU would sink so low.
even if vwls does owe all over place, youve already gone WAY above and beyond to air your own gripe with her, so what the fuck does what she may or may not owe to anyone else have to do with you or the betterment of NWP?

if these are your true colors, then you are one repugnant, megalomaniacal lizard of a person.

nothing says 'integrity' like a fucking nerd e-bullying some lady, after the fact no less, over a business arrangement gone sour.
and all this AFTER you had the nerve, the brass fucking balls to call vwls 'business ethics' into play.
what a fucking joke.

real fucking classy druff.

im sure youll find your own egoic way to rationalize what youre doing, you always do.
but that wont change the fact that your actions here are purely malicious and serve no purpose whatsoever.
no wonder you guys cant pull this place together. you cant even leave a dead issue alone without poking it with sticks like some retarded kids standing around an anthill.

way to go champ

Right.

I should just sit silent while being accused of making up false stories about this lovely, honest woman, right?

Look, if this was a matter of "business ethics", I would not be taking this line.

I'm not talking about a business deal gone bad. I'm talking about a straight-up rolling.

Now my own integrity is being called into question, and I'm not going to have it.

how does accusing someone else of something, that may or may not be true, clear your name of something, that may or may not be true?

and fwiw, i have no personal bias toward either of you.
i think this whole thing is playing out pretty juvenile on both sides
imo

does someone elses hundo affetc your life one way or the other, or is that just bait to justify fucking with someone else because youre pissed at them?

for fucks sake man, be the bigger person.
if youre gonna help lead the site, then fucking lead.

Boris78

I never said it was $100. I asked if there was anyone she owed AT LEAST $100 to, and to describe the circumstances under which it occurred.

And if it was something that "may or may not be true", I wouldn't be bringing it out here.

The last thing I'd be doing at this point would be levying serious, false accusations against someone.

Then explain the big nig hof thingie

Do they sell you in brickform, I need something cheap I can throw in the oven to keep me warm this winter.

Are you aware how fucking ugly you are, are you aware that your nose screams jew from a mile away.
People that are born in this country with your characteristics are immd beheaded and thrown in the toilet.

Your stupidass stoner laugh makes me wanna puke, the funny thin is your whore skank southern bell looks like a female version of yourself

Wonder what your parents look like to produce something as fugly as you

Nobody cares druff. You single handedly sank this site just get over it and move on. Attempting to drag old mods down with you will not make this ship sink any slower.

I am wondering if Michael, who is apparently close friends with Angel, knows the story and is afraid it will come out.

I am starting to think that he might.

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This isn't about stopping a ship from sinking, or getting more attention paid to NWP.

This is my answer to Vwls' demand for an apology regarding these accusations.

Mike, Sofaking, anyone else.... a question for you:

We made brief mention of this, she acted outraged, and subsequently accused us on boris of lying, and demanded an apology.

Given that I know that the accusations were true, what should I do at this point? Just ignore it and make it look like I was a big liar?

Explain the proper course of action here.

Also explain why people like fminc, Weissman, CMONEY, Justin Smith, and countless others are vilified for rolling people, yet somehow it's a non-issue if it involves Vwls.