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What the hell kind of attack was NWP hit with?

Mr. Admin says it was someone with "CMS access". I have admin access (create/delete forums/users) but he seems to be talking about front page content management, which I don't have.

Here's he post for reference-
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Some indications seem to be this was an act of internal sabotage by someone with cms access and knowledge of the goings on within said cms, judging by the pages the script was put on. Either from not blocking old admins or to devalue the site by current admins. The community needs to know as trojans and whatnot can screw up your computers. We will continue to check and fix this problem if it continues.


Do you think that attack could be done through a CMS front end, or would it require access to the OS/DB (either granted or obtained through a security hole)?

Your Boris post mentioned NWP needing an IPS. What is that? NWP apparently has one, because an IPS Driver Error made NWP unavailable for a short time on Sunday.

And lol at "from not blocking old admins". Nice security policies there. The only old admin with a motive is vwls, who as you mentioned has no technical ability to do so (but does theoretically know people who do).

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[url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=1185532]http://xkcd.com/327/[/url]


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Lithuanians are out to lunch, as usual.

If it was an inside job, it was one of them.

It seems that it was likely just an outside hacker from eastern Europe, just as it appeared.

I highly doubt it had to do with boris.


Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:34 am
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Re: what happened...

A website/webforum often has footers and headers of html code stored in the database for example that get appended to all html pages.

For example, every page at neverwinpoker.com has this at the bottom:
Quote:
Contact Us | Advertise | Privacy Policy | Disclaimer | Site Map | NWP Logos | Link To Us
Copyright @ 2009 Neverwinpoker LLC All rights reserved


Usually thats generated from a database.

So what attackers do, is they change like
CODE
<a href="/link-to-us" title="Link To Us" rel="nofollow">Link To Us</a>[/code]
to something like
CODE
<a href="/link-to-us" title="Link To Us" rel="nofollow">Link To Us</a>
<javascript>
super_scary_exploit_code_that_tells_your_webbrowser_to_download_and_install_a_tr
jan_backdoor
</javascript>[/code]


But yeah, Ive been holding off on commenting on this because I was hoping overlords.lu would provide more info.. right now the most interesting thing about this to me is that they found logs of access from Czech ip space. The fact that the attackers didnt or couldnt sanitize the logs is somehow reassuring.

What I was commenting on at Boris re: IPS was the need to look beyond "oh we need to patch this" and address preventing issues that might come up in the future by crippling the entire attack vector (exploiting the relationship between the face-forward application and the database). An IPS is a good first step there; it examines all the transactions between the DB and the Forum (or what have you) and anything that looks potentially hostile gets censored.

But yeah without some logs and shit, who knows what went down.

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