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WOWnhURgood
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I have a BA in Accountancy and am getting ready to take bridge courses to get into a graduate CIT program. Here are the program requirements:  |  |  |  | Quote: To earn a Master of Science in Computer Information Technology, students are required to complete:
•A minimum of 30 graduate credits. •6 credits in Required Intermediate Core Classes. These classes will be waived if taken as an undergraduate. •12 credits in Required Advanced Core Classes. •At least 18 credits in Elective Classes from which a minimum of 9 credits must be in Advanced Electives (600 level classes). •At least 21 credits in CIT classes from which a minimum of 15 credits must be CIT 600-level classes (these credits include Intermediate Core, Advanced Core and Elective Classes). •The students without the necessary IT background may be required to take one or two of the available Bridge Classes.
Bridge Courses Some students entering the MSCIT program may not have the necessary undergraduate background for advanced coursework in Computer Information Technology. The bridge courses will offer an intensive review of IT fundamental domains such as: UNIX, system administration, elements of security, databases, and networks, scripting and web programming, etc. The required courses in this category will be determined, after review of transcripts and consultation with the student, by the MSCIT Admission Committee. The bridge courses do not count toward the 30 graduate credits required for this program. •CIT 500 - Information Technology Fundamentals •CIT 501 - Scripting
Intermediate Core Courses The following two courses are required if they have not already been completed at the undergraduate level. These courses may be waived by the MSCIT Admission Committee, after review of all transcripts and consultation with the student. •CIT 547 - Network Design/Troubleshooting •CIT 572 - Database Administration
Advanced Core Courses The following four courses are all required. •CIT 668 - System Architecture •CIT 672 - Advanced Database Administration •CIT 696 - Best Practices in Information Technology Seminar •MBI 650 - Information Technology Project Management Note: MBI 650 prerequisite (MBI 625) is waived for all MSCIT students.
Elective Courses Students must take at least 18 credit hours of the courses below, at least 9 hours of which must be from the Advanced Elective Classes (600 level). All of these courses must be taken in graduate status. No more than six combined hours of CIT 599 and CIT 699 may be counted toward the degree. •CIT 530 - Computer Forensics •CIT 536 - Web Server Administration •CIT 565 - Storage Administration •CIT 570 - Advanced Network and System Administration •CIT 584 - Network Security •CIT 586 - Three Tier Web Applications •CIT 594 - Intermediate Graduate Topics: Computer Information Technology •CIT 599 - Intermediate Independent Study •CSC 507 - Concepts of Programming Languages •CSC 533 - Computer Networks •CSC 550 - Database Management Systems •CSC 582 - Computer Security •PHI 510 - Ethics in Information Technology
Advanced Elective Classes are listed below: •CIT 630 - Advanced Computer Forensics •CIT 637 - Wireless Networks •CIT 644 - Web Security •CIT 661 - Routing •CIT 662 - Switching •CIT 677 - Data Mining Tools and Techniques •CIT 694 - Advanced Graduate Topics: Computer Information Technology •CIT 699 - Advanced Independent Study •CSC 645 - Software Interface Design and Human Factors •CSC 670 - Social Implications of Computing •CSC 682 - Advanced Computer Security •COM 700 - Social Informatics •MBI 615 - Strategic Management of Technology and Innovation •MBI 625 - Information Systems in Organizations •MBI 630 - Systems Analysis and Design •MBI 640 - Data Communication, Networking and Security •MBI 645 - Electronic Commerce •MBI 647 - ERP Business Process Analysis Using SAP •MBI 657 - ERP Business Process Integration Using SAP •MBI 667 - ERP Business Intelligence Using SAP •MBI 677 - ERP Programming for SAP •MBI 682 - Information Security & Controls •MBI 685 - Corporate IS Management |  |  |  |  |
Do you have any suggestions on which electives I should take to for the best career in the future? Is there a program schedule I could put together that my accounting background would compliment after earning my master's to be more of a specialist? Would taking the ERP classes work well with my accounting background? I remember discussing ERP in some of my accounting classes, but don't really know much about CIT at all.
_________________ He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent which will reach to himself. -- Thomas Paine (1737--1809), Dissertation on First Principles of Government, 1795
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| Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:56 am |
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sonatine
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The first problem here is that no one is going to give you a job based on your academic credentials alone; demonstrable experience and the ability to comport oneself professionally in a team environment trumps everything else, every time.
I would suggest you look into Database work, as its a cloistered discipline, to the point that you wont be penalized for not being a jack of all trades elsewhere as long as you really know your DBA chops.
The SAP/ERP if youre already getting some cross-over with ERP into your Accounting background, thats probably a winning direction here.. I dont consider it a real CS discipline because its so specific to certain environments, but that doesnt mean it might not be perfect for you here.
Forget about InfoSec & Systems Admin. The people getting those jobs are getting them based on having 15+ years of experience in their respective fields based on personal interest and contributions to the community and honestly, people trying to hang a resume off a degree are regarded poorly in these fields. Plus, both fields are extremely difficult to stay contemporary with unless its a personal mission to do so.
Networking is an interesting field but its also a massive social club, and if you arent extremely competent and willing to spend about 5 years (if youre incredibly good at learning) working shit jobs for 50-55k a year, you will not go far here. What you learn in school about networking will be useful but it will be your ability to interface with people who redefine what gets taught in school that defines your ability to exceed. IMO this is absolutely the most high stress field out there, not just because of the sacrifices you have to make to earn your way up the ladder, but because the results of one sloppy or ill-advised keystroke can be career-ending.
Also one final note; as mentioned, DBA is the only field where you can be good in DBA and only DBA. Infosec, Systems, and Networking all require fundamentally strong knowledge in all 3 fields to thrive, regardless of credentials.
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| Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:30 am |
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abrown83
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Why not get a Master's in Management Information Systems?
One - It has more of business tie in.
Two - If you want to or already do work for large publicly traded company, your Accountancy degree along with an Information Systems degree might be fairly marketable. As major companies are working to streamline SOX, and other Internal Audits electronically.
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| Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:52 am |
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sonatine
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this strikes me as really good advice.
_________________ Wiz' Fruity Pebbles Poetry Contest Runner-Up, probably. <Ripptyde64> anyway I just wanted to give you some props for your posts....you really have a unique way with words and as a fellow writer I am humbled <Ripptyde64> lol I just like your style. there are so many useless and moronic poster on these forums and you are vastly superior in quality, form and content. <BB92> lol i have tits ╭∩╮(︶︿︶)╭∩╮
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| Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:57 am |
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WOWnhURgood
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Thanks for the replies. These are the exact sort of replies I'm looking for so I don't go down road that will pretty much take me nowhere.
A Master of Business Informatics degree is also an option, but even when looking at those courses I'm not too sure what the hell I'm looking at.
I'm working on juming in this last minute so yesterday I decided I was going to take the GRE either Friday or early next week.
_________________ He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent which will reach to himself. -- Thomas Paine (1737--1809), Dissertation on First Principles of Government, 1795
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| Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:08 am |
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WOWnhURgood
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MBI program requirements: MBI degree specilizations: Also, would this certificate be worth anything other than the paper it's written on?
_________________ He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent which will reach to himself. -- Thomas Paine (1737--1809), Dissertation on First Principles of Government, 1795
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| Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:23 am |
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sonatine
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This is my impression;
the closer you get to business administration and the further you get from computer science, the more those degrees pay off, as well as help you outright.
the typical complaint about CS is that by the time you graduate, what youve learned is ancient history. i believe that to hold true today and i see no reason for it to not hold true tomorrow.
and like i said, if you dont have a real passion for zeros and ones, youre going to be in absolute hellish agony.
now, I know fuckall about the corporate/business side of the game, above and beyond the parts that cross into CS-land, eg infosec, some architecture, some compliance stuff, physical security, basically whatever the CISSP tells me to know. but my gut says that MBI is sooooo much closer to your personal direction that youd probably enjoy it and enjoy the fruits of your labors re: accreditation.
_________________ Wiz' Fruity Pebbles Poetry Contest Runner-Up, probably. <Ripptyde64> anyway I just wanted to give you some props for your posts....you really have a unique way with words and as a fellow writer I am humbled <Ripptyde64> lol I just like your style. there are so many useless and moronic poster on these forums and you are vastly superior in quality, form and content. <BB92> lol i have tits ╭∩╮(︶︿︶)╭∩╮
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| Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:22 pm |
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Badgers
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This is what I am currently working on. If you have MIS questions ask away. MIS is the way to go. MIS is very versatile and leaves you many different opportunities.
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| Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:27 pm |
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abrown83
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I would get the Information Technology Management Specialization. Not worth much other than the first job you would get with it but may mean you can jump right into a Project Management position with a reputable company. The idea here is that you want to be in charge of the technology, not creating the technology. Being in charge means more money, and more control. Just remember this field is full of 60 and 70 hour weeks, and unrealistic deadlines that you will never meet. If you really want to go for the top you should get the MBI degree, and then get a Six Sigma Black Belt Certification. That would really put you on a CTO path.
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| Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:50 pm |
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sonatine
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respectfully, CTO is not realistic for people who arent essentially ex-engineers. CTOs who are not ex-engineers or are poor ex-engineers do not go far, and they inflict massive turnover on their managers until someone says enough is enough and shitcans them.
the one thing i have to say about gunning for a PM position is that you should make sure youre good at it first. i have a friend who does PM, he gets six digit severance packages just to keep him from working for the competition for 12 months. hes also amazing at his job. hes also the only PM ive ever met in my life who gets that kind of respect, because none of the others, not one, could carry his jockstrap.
if you have the temperament for it and can get results out of underpaid, underappreciated misfit antisocial shut-ins, PM is your ticket to ride.
_________________ Wiz' Fruity Pebbles Poetry Contest Runner-Up, probably. <Ripptyde64> anyway I just wanted to give you some props for your posts....you really have a unique way with words and as a fellow writer I am humbled <Ripptyde64> lol I just like your style. there are so many useless and moronic poster on these forums and you are vastly superior in quality, form and content. <BB92> lol i have tits ╭∩╮(︶︿︶)╭∩╮
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| Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:56 pm |
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abrown83
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I guess it depends on the company. I would assume you are right on the CTO for smaller and medium sized companies. I work for a very large company and our top two or three layers of technology people are business people. They are so far removed from any real technology work that they are just managing people and budgets. LoL @ underappreciated misfit antisocial shut-ins.....so so true.
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| Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:08 pm |
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sonatine
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you know, what you said about the CTO vs org size rings true. also, ive only worked in tech compaies. obviously a CTO of a tech company (and i worked for one of the biggest out there) is clearly a tech-centric position. but im willing to bet that in non-technical orgs, the accent is 100% on compliance and business practices. i get tunnel vision sometimes i guess.
_________________ Wiz' Fruity Pebbles Poetry Contest Runner-Up, probably. <Ripptyde64> anyway I just wanted to give you some props for your posts....you really have a unique way with words and as a fellow writer I am humbled <Ripptyde64> lol I just like your style. there are so many useless and moronic poster on these forums and you are vastly superior in quality, form and content. <BB92> lol i have tits ╭∩╮(︶︿︶)╭∩╮
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| Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:36 pm |
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WOWnhURgood
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Thanks for the replies. If I end up taking the GRE in the next few days instead of finding a way to back door the program, then I'll post my score. I'm sure there are very few people who decide to take it then actually sit for it a couple days later so prepare for what will most likely end in an epic fail trip report.
_________________ He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent which will reach to himself. -- Thomas Paine (1737--1809), Dissertation on First Principles of Government, 1795
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| Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:58 pm |
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sonatine
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a lot of techish certs have really high failure rates. suggestion: loads of free courseware online, consider setting up a safe, sandboxed environment (another discussion entirely really) and warezing a fuckton of training guides. shit does help.
_________________ Wiz' Fruity Pebbles Poetry Contest Runner-Up, probably. <Ripptyde64> anyway I just wanted to give you some props for your posts....you really have a unique way with words and as a fellow writer I am humbled <Ripptyde64> lol I just like your style. there are so many useless and moronic poster on these forums and you are vastly superior in quality, form and content. <BB92> lol i have tits ╭∩╮(︶︿︶)╭∩╮
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| Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:08 pm |
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WOWnhURgood
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This is for the ERP certification not the GRE, correct? I'm thinking I'm going to follow abrowns plan after reading the advice you both gave me and get into the MBI (Information Technology Management Specialization) program. I was asking about the certificate, because I was thinking if it would have any real meaning I might stick around another semester or two to complete it also.
_________________ He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent which will reach to himself. -- Thomas Paine (1737--1809), Dissertation on First Principles of Government, 1795
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| Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:39 pm |
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WOWnhURgood
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Just to let you know sonatine I also have a buddy who is about to start his second semester of CIT. He just finished the bridge courses. I read your posts to him and he is going to concentrate on DBA. Thanks for your time and help.
_________________ He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent which will reach to himself. -- Thomas Paine (1737--1809), Dissertation on First Principles of Government, 1795
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