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I have a BA in Accountancy and am getting ready to take bridge courses to get into a graduate CIT program. Here are the program requirements:

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To earn a Master of Science in Computer Information Technology, students are required to complete:

•A minimum of 30 graduate credits.
•6 credits in Required Intermediate Core Classes. These classes will be waived if taken as an undergraduate.
•12 credits in Required Advanced Core Classes.
•At least 18 credits in Elective Classes from which a minimum of 9 credits must be in Advanced Electives (600 level classes).
•At least 21 credits in CIT classes from which a minimum of 15 credits must be CIT 600-level classes (these credits include Intermediate Core, Advanced Core and Elective Classes).
•The students without the necessary IT background may be required to take one or two of the available Bridge Classes.

Bridge Courses
Some students entering the MSCIT program may not have the necessary undergraduate background for advanced coursework in Computer Information Technology. The bridge courses will offer an intensive review of IT fundamental domains such as: UNIX, system administration, elements of security, databases, and networks, scripting and web programming, etc. The required courses in this category will be determined, after review of transcripts and consultation with the student, by the MSCIT Admission Committee. The bridge courses do not count toward the 30 graduate credits required for this program.
•CIT 500 - Information Technology Fundamentals
•CIT 501 - Scripting

Intermediate Core Courses
The following two courses are required if they have not already been completed at the undergraduate level. These courses may be waived by the MSCIT Admission Committee, after review of all transcripts and consultation with the student.
•CIT 547 - Network Design/Troubleshooting
•CIT 572 - Database Administration

Advanced Core Courses
The following four courses are all required.
•CIT 668 - System Architecture
•CIT 672 - Advanced Database Administration
•CIT 696 - Best Practices in Information Technology Seminar
•MBI 650 - Information Technology Project Management
Note: MBI 650 prerequisite (MBI 625) is waived for all MSCIT students.

Elective Courses
Students must take at least 18 credit hours of the courses below, at least 9 hours of which must be from the Advanced Elective Classes (600 level). All of these courses must be taken in graduate status. No more than six combined hours of CIT 599 and CIT 699 may be counted toward the degree.
•CIT 530 - Computer Forensics
•CIT 536 - Web Server Administration
•CIT 565 - Storage Administration
•CIT 570 - Advanced Network and System Administration
•CIT 584 - Network Security
•CIT 586 - Three Tier Web Applications
•CIT 594 - Intermediate Graduate Topics: Computer Information Technology
•CIT 599 - Intermediate Independent Study
•CSC 507 - Concepts of Programming Languages
•CSC 533 - Computer Networks
•CSC 550 - Database Management Systems
•CSC 582 - Computer Security
•PHI 510 - Ethics in Information Technology

Advanced Elective Classes are listed below:
•CIT 630 - Advanced Computer Forensics
•CIT 637 - Wireless Networks
•CIT 644 - Web Security
•CIT 661 - Routing
•CIT 662 - Switching
•CIT 677 - Data Mining Tools and Techniques
•CIT 694 - Advanced Graduate Topics: Computer Information Technology
•CIT 699 - Advanced Independent Study
•CSC 645 - Software Interface Design and Human Factors
•CSC 670 - Social Implications of Computing
•CSC 682 - Advanced Computer Security
•COM 700 - Social Informatics
•MBI 615 - Strategic Management of Technology and Innovation
•MBI 625 - Information Systems in Organizations
•MBI 630 - Systems Analysis and Design
•MBI 640 - Data Communication, Networking and Security
•MBI 645 - Electronic Commerce
•MBI 647 - ERP Business Process Analysis Using SAP
•MBI 657 - ERP Business Process Integration Using SAP
•MBI 667 - ERP Business Intelligence Using SAP
•MBI 677 - ERP Programming for SAP
•MBI 682 - Information Security & Controls
•MBI 685 - Corporate IS Management


Do you have any suggestions on which electives I should take to for the best career in the future? Is there a program schedule I could put together that my accounting background would compliment after earning my master's to be more of a specialist? Would taking the ERP classes work well with my accounting background? I remember discussing ERP in some of my accounting classes, but don't really know much about CIT at all.

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Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:56 am
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The first problem here is that no one is going to give you a job based on your academic credentials alone; demonstrable experience and the ability to comport oneself professionally in a team environment trumps everything else, every time.

I would suggest you look into Database work, as its a cloistered discipline, to the point that you wont be penalized for not being a jack of all trades elsewhere as long as you really know your DBA chops.

The SAP/ERP if youre already getting some cross-over with ERP into your Accounting background, thats probably a winning direction here.. I dont consider it a real CS discipline because its so specific to certain environments, but that doesnt mean it might not be perfect for you here.

Forget about InfoSec & Systems Admin. The people getting those jobs are getting them based on having 15+ years of experience in their respective fields based on personal interest and contributions to the community and honestly, people trying to hang a resume off a degree are regarded poorly in these fields. Plus, both fields are extremely difficult to stay contemporary with unless its a personal mission to do so.

Networking is an interesting field but its also a massive social club, and if you arent extremely competent and willing to spend about 5 years (if youre incredibly good at learning) working shit jobs for 50-55k a year, you will not go far here. What you learn in school about networking will be useful but it will be your ability to interface with people who redefine what gets taught in school that defines your ability to exceed. IMO this is absolutely the most high stress field out there, not just because of the sacrifices you have to make to earn your way up the ladder, but because the results of one sloppy or ill-advised keystroke can be career-ending.

Also one final note; as mentioned, DBA is the only field where you can be good in DBA and only DBA. Infosec, Systems, and Networking all require fundamentally strong knowledge in all 3 fields to thrive, regardless of credentials.

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Why not get a Master's in Management Information Systems?

One - It has more of business tie in.

Two - If you want to or already do work for large publicly traded company, your Accountancy degree along with an Information Systems degree might be fairly marketable. As major companies are working to streamline SOX, and other Internal Audits electronically.

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Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:52 am
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abrown83 wrote:
Why not get a Master's in Management Information Systems?

One - It has more of business tie in.

Two - If you want to or already do work for large publicly traded company, your Accountancy degree along with an Information Systems degree might be fairly marketable. As major companies are working to streamline SOX, and other Internal Audits electronically.


this strikes me as really good advice.

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Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:57 am
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Thanks for the replies. These are the exact sort of replies I'm looking for so I don't go down road that will pretty much take me nowhere.

A Master of Business Informatics degree is also an option, but even when looking at those courses I'm not too sure what the hell I'm looking at.

I'm working on juming in this last minute so yesterday I decided I was going to take the GRE either Friday or early next week.

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MBI program requirements:

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The MBI is a 30-semester-hour degree composed of two groups of courses, core and electives (offering four areas of specialization):
•Foundation course(s), if applicable (up to 10 hours)
•Six Core Courses (18 hours)
•Three Elective Courses (9 hours)
•A Capstone course (3 hours)
Foundation Courses
Foundation courses are required for those students admitted to the program with a limited business or programming educational background. The requirement of these courses can be met based on undergraduate/graduate (transcripted) coursework completed.

Foundation courses include:
•ACC 605 - Introduction to Financial Accounting 2
•FIN 605 - Fundamentals of Finance 2
•MKT 625 - Marketing Management 3
•MBI 605 - Information Systems Development Software 3
Core Courses

All the six core courses and one capstone course are required for all students.
MBI 625 - Information Systems in Organizations 3
MBI 630 - Systems Analysis and Design 3
MBI 635 - Database Management Systems 3
MBI 640 - Data Communication 3
MBI 645 - Electronic Commerce3
MBI 650 - Information Technology Project Management 3
MBI 685 - Corporate IS Management (Capstone) 3

Elective Courses
Students will be required to complete three elective courses from the following list of courses.
MBI 655 - Advanced Business Application Programming
MBI 660 - Data Warehousing and Data Mining
MBI 665 - Knowledge Management and Decision Support Systems
MBI 670 - Object-Oriented Software Engineering
MBI 675 - Enterprise Workflow Design & Reengineering
MBI 680 - Global Information Technology and Systems
MBI 682 - Information Security & Controls
MBI 692 - Information Systems Research
MBI 694 - Special Topics in Information Systems


MBI degree specilizations:

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Information Technology Management Specialization (3 courses)
MSIS 665 - Knowledge Management and Decision Support Systems
MSIS 675 - Enterprise Workflow Design and Reengineering
MSIS 680 - Global Information Technology & Systems
MSIS 682 - Information Security and Controls

Information Systems Development Specialization
MSIS 655 - Advanced Business Application Programming
MSIS 660 - Data Warehousing & Data Mining
MSIS 670 - Object-Oriented Software Engineering

Information Technology Audit Specialization
MSIS 682 - Information Security and Controls
ACC 625 - Accounting for Management
ACC 640 - Advanced Auditing


Information Technology Entrepreneurship Specialization (3 courses)
MSIS 675 - Enterprise Workflow Design and Reengineering (required)
ENTP 640 - Entrepreneurship and Innovation (required)
ENTP 670 - Managing Growth and Entrepreneurship in Organizations
ENTP 696 - Entrepreneurship Field Studies

Other Electives:
MSIS 692 - Information Systems Research
MSIS 694 - Topics on Information Systems ( A Special Topics course may be substituted in an applicable specialization area.)


Also, would this certificate be worth anything other than the paper it's written on?

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Graduate Certificate in Enterprise Resource Planning
Business Informatics (BIS) combines the two key areas of business management and computer technology. Nowhere is this more apparent and useful than in the area of Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP).

To earn the Certificate in Enterprise Resource Planning, a student must complete three of the following four classes:
•MBI 647 ERP Business Process Analysis using SAP
•MBI 657 ERP Business Process Integration using SAP
•MBI 667 ERP Business Intelligence using SAP
•MBI 677 ERP Programming using SAP/NETWEAVER

Plus
•MBI 685 Corporate Information Systems Management

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Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:23 am
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This is my impression;

the closer you get to business administration and the further you get from computer science, the more those degrees pay off, as well as help you outright.

the typical complaint about CS is that by the time you graduate, what youve learned is ancient history. i believe that to hold true today and i see no reason for it to not hold true tomorrow.

and like i said, if you dont have a real passion for zeros and ones, youre going to be in absolute hellish agony.

now, I know fuckall about the corporate/business side of the game, above and beyond the parts that cross into CS-land, eg infosec, some architecture, some compliance stuff, physical security, basically whatever the CISSP tells me to know. but my gut says that MBI is sooooo much closer to your personal direction that youd probably enjoy it and enjoy the fruits of your labors re: accreditation.

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Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:22 pm
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sonatine wrote:
abrown83 wrote:
Why not get a Master's in Management Information Systems?

One - It has more of business tie in.

Two - If you want to or already do work for large publicly traded company, your Accountancy degree along with an Information Systems degree might be fairly marketable. As major companies are working to streamline SOX, and other Internal Audits electronically.


this strikes me as really good advice.


This is what I am currently working on. If you have MIS questions ask away. MIS is the way to go. MIS is very versatile and leaves you many different opportunities.


Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:27 pm
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WOWnhURgood wrote:
MBI program requirements:

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The MBI is a 30-semester-hour degree composed of two groups of courses, core and electives (offering four areas of specialization):
•Foundation course(s), if applicable (up to 10 hours)
•Six Core Courses (18 hours)
•Three Elective Courses (9 hours)
•A Capstone course (3 hours)
Foundation Courses
Foundation courses are required for those students admitted to the program with a limited business or programming educational background. The requirement of these courses can be met based on undergraduate/graduate (transcripted) coursework completed.

Foundation courses include:
•ACC 605 - Introduction to Financial Accounting 2
•FIN 605 - Fundamentals of Finance 2
•MKT 625 - Marketing Management 3
•MBI 605 - Information Systems Development Software 3
Core Courses

All the six core courses and one capstone course are required for all students.
MBI 625 - Information Systems in Organizations 3
MBI 630 - Systems Analysis and Design 3
MBI 635 - Database Management Systems 3
MBI 640 - Data Communication 3
MBI 645 - Electronic Commerce3
MBI 650 - Information Technology Project Management 3
MBI 685 - Corporate IS Management (Capstone) 3

Elective Courses
Students will be required to complete three elective courses from the following list of courses.
MBI 655 - Advanced Business Application Programming
MBI 660 - Data Warehousing and Data Mining
MBI 665 - Knowledge Management and Decision Support Systems
MBI 670 - Object-Oriented Software Engineering
MBI 675 - Enterprise Workflow Design & Reengineering
MBI 680 - Global Information Technology and Systems
MBI 682 - Information Security & Controls
MBI 692 - Information Systems Research
MBI 694 - Special Topics in Information Systems


MBI degree specilizations:

Quote:
Information Technology Management Specialization (3 courses)
MSIS 665 - Knowledge Management and Decision Support Systems
MSIS 675 - Enterprise Workflow Design and Reengineering
MSIS 680 - Global Information Technology & Systems
MSIS 682 - Information Security and Controls

Information Systems Development Specialization
MSIS 655 - Advanced Business Application Programming
MSIS 660 - Data Warehousing & Data Mining
MSIS 670 - Object-Oriented Software Engineering

Information Technology Audit Specialization
MSIS 682 - Information Security and Controls
ACC 625 - Accounting for Management
ACC 640 - Advanced Auditing


Information Technology Entrepreneurship Specialization (3 courses)
MSIS 675 - Enterprise Workflow Design and Reengineering (required)
ENTP 640 - Entrepreneurship and Innovation (required)
ENTP 670 - Managing Growth and Entrepreneurship in Organizations
ENTP 696 - Entrepreneurship Field Studies

Other Electives:
MSIS 692 - Information Systems Research
MSIS 694 - Topics on Information Systems ( A Special Topics course may be substituted in an applicable specialization area.)


Also, would this certificate be worth anything other than the paper it's written on?

Quote:
Graduate Certificate in Enterprise Resource Planning
Business Informatics (BIS) combines the two key areas of business management and computer technology. Nowhere is this more apparent and useful than in the area of Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP).

To earn the Certificate in Enterprise Resource Planning, a student must complete three of the following four classes:
•MBI 647 ERP Business Process Analysis using SAP
•MBI 657 ERP Business Process Integration using SAP
•MBI 667 ERP Business Intelligence using SAP
•MBI 677 ERP Programming using SAP/NETWEAVER

Plus
•MBI 685 Corporate Information Systems Management



I would get the Information Technology Management Specialization. Not worth much other than the first job you would get with it but may mean you can jump right into a Project Management position with a reputable company.

The idea here is that you want to be in charge of the technology, not creating the technology. Being in charge means more money, and more control. Just remember this field is full of 60 and 70 hour weeks, and unrealistic deadlines that you will never meet.

If you really want to go for the top you should get the MBI degree, and then get a Six Sigma Black Belt Certification. That would really put you on a CTO path.

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Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:50 pm
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respectfully, CTO is not realistic for people who arent essentially ex-engineers. CTOs who are not ex-engineers or are poor ex-engineers do not go far, and they inflict massive turnover on their managers until someone says enough is enough and shitcans them.

the one thing i have to say about gunning for a PM position is that you should make sure youre good at it first. i have a friend who does PM, he gets six digit severance packages just to keep him from working for the competition for 12 months. hes also amazing at his job. hes also the only PM ive ever met in my life who gets that kind of respect, because none of the others, not one, could carry his jockstrap.

if you have the temperament for it and can get results out of underpaid, underappreciated misfit antisocial shut-ins, PM is your ticket to ride.

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sonatine wrote:
respectfully, CTO is not realistic for people who arent essentially ex-engineers. CTOs who are not ex-engineers or are poor ex-engineers do not go far, and they inflict massive turnover on their managers until someone says enough is enough and shitcans them.

the one thing i have to say about gunning for a PM position is that you should make sure youre good at it first. i have a friend who does PM, he gets six digit severance packages just to keep him from working for the competition for 12 months. hes also amazing at his job. hes also the only PM ive ever met in my life who gets that kind of respect, because none of the others, not one, could carry his jockstrap.

if you have the temperament for it and can get results out of underpaid, underappreciated misfit antisocial shut-ins, PM is your ticket to ride.


I guess it depends on the company. I would assume you are right on the CTO for smaller and medium sized companies. I work for a very large company and our top two or three layers of technology people are business people. They are so far removed from any real technology work that they are just managing people and budgets.

LoL @ underappreciated misfit antisocial shut-ins.....so so true.

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abrown83 wrote:
sonatine wrote:
respectfully, CTO is not realistic for people who arent essentially ex-engineers. CTOs who are not ex-engineers or are poor ex-engineers do not go far, and they inflict massive turnover on their managers until someone says enough is enough and shitcans them.

the one thing i have to say about gunning for a PM position is that you should make sure youre good at it first. i have a friend who does PM, he gets six digit severance packages just to keep him from working for the competition for 12 months. hes also amazing at his job. hes also the only PM ive ever met in my life who gets that kind of respect, because none of the others, not one, could carry his jockstrap.

if you have the temperament for it and can get results out of underpaid, underappreciated misfit antisocial shut-ins, PM is your ticket to ride.


I guess it depends on the company. I would assume you are right on the CTO for smaller and medium sized companies. I work for a very large company and our top two or three layers of technology people are business people. They are so far removed from any real technology work that they are just managing people and budgets.

LoL @ underappreciated misfit antisocial shut-ins.....so so true.



you know, what you said about the CTO vs org size rings true.

also, ive only worked in tech compaies. obviously a CTO of a tech company (and i worked for one of the biggest out there) is clearly a tech-centric position.

but im willing to bet that in non-technical orgs, the accent is 100% on compliance and business practices.

i get tunnel vision sometimes i guess.

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Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:36 pm
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Thanks for the replies. If I end up taking the GRE in the next few days instead of finding a way to back door the program, then I'll post my score. I'm sure there are very few people who decide to take it then actually sit for it a couple days later so prepare for what will most likely end in an epic fail trip report.

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WOWnhURgood wrote:
Thanks for the replies. If I end up taking the GRE in the next few days instead of finding a way to back door the program, then I'll post my score. I'm sure there are very few people who decide to take it then actually sit for it a couple days later so prepare for what will most likely end in an epic fail trip report.



a lot of techish certs have really high failure rates. suggestion: loads of free courseware online, consider setting up a safe, sandboxed environment (another discussion entirely really) and warezing a fuckton of training guides. shit does help.

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sonatine wrote:
a lot of techish certs have really high failure rates. suggestion: loads of free courseware online, consider setting up a safe,
sandboxed environment (another discussion entirely really) and warezing a fuckton of training guides. shit does help.


This is for the ERP certification not the GRE, correct?

I'm thinking I'm going to follow abrowns plan after reading the advice you both gave me and get into the MBI (Information Technology Management Specialization) program.

I was asking about the certificate, because I was thinking if it would have any real meaning I might stick around another semester or two to complete it also.

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Just to let you know sonatine I also have a buddy who is about to start his second semester of CIT. He just finished the bridge courses. I read your posts to him and he is going to concentrate on DBA. Thanks for your time and help.

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