nope my comment was why hasn't anyone mentioned the nice finish Todd had so I will be the 1st

I actually liked the way you have handled and broke the AP
cheating and agree with you 100% on UB, not kissing ass just the truth. I played most of the MTT's on AP everyday for several years until my pocket AA got cracked seven x's in a row (for real) and felt something was wrong beyond variance then several weeks after I quit the shit hit the fan

the internetz is a big place and there is plenty of room for 2+2 and DonkDown

How come people keep saying no business would ever open their books to a 3rd party? Millions of companies do it every single year for financial audits.

The users on DD and 2+2 are way off base saying this scandal looks back to the general public. Let me ask you a question; do you think the general public reads these forums? No, they don't! With the exception of the CNBC and 60 minutes episodes that did reach the general public this on going discussion does not get viewed by them. I've been here for many years now and haven't even gotten to see the CNBC special. I've even tried to dig it up. I couldn't find it on the internet and never see it on CNBC and I am a regular viewer of the CNBC specials.

I've known lots and lots of poker players over the years and the only other person I know who views Boris or DD is faduniak. I've been part of an online poker players group that chats daily for over a year now. They play daily on PS and I was shocked to hear that none of the 20 or so members had no clue about the UB or AP scandal. They have been actively playing online poker since 2005.

Think of all the people you know who don't play poker who make up the general public, then think to yourself how many would have a clue as to what you were talking about if you mentioned UP, AB and scandal. There would be zero who had a clue. Now, like I mentioned above think of people who you meet in card rooms or even at an online table and you'd be shocked at how many of those people even know anything about the scandal.

Yes, these active members of poker forums all know about the scandals. Out of the entire poker playing population how many do you think are active on poker forums? Basically what I'm saying is that by discussing these things on here does not cause any harm. People who are on here reading about the new developments today already know what happened. People who don't know about it aren't going to be informed because of these discussions and certainly aren't the general public.

I saw this posted on 2+2, an interview with Seebs and the Chicago Poker Club

http://chicagopokerclub.net/blog-posts/ ... andal.html

I have not listened to the entire thing but apparently Joe emails Paul quite often asking him to blog. For anyone who has ever read some of Paul's blogs, he was supposed to blog about ownership questions and also the data issues with the HH's. It seems he is dragging his feet, but what can he really say anyway?

I had not seen this interview posted here yet, so just making those aware it exists.

I am sure that Joe does have frequent communication with Paul Leggett, but the problem is simply that Joe doesn't have any real power to make demands.

I'm sure their exchanges go something like this:

Joe: "Hey, Paul, some players are asking questions about the missing hand histories, wondering why it's taking so long?"

Paul: "We're getting them out as quickly as possible, but we've run into numerous difficult data issues that have prevented some from being retrieved."

Joe: "Okay, thanks for the info, dude. I'll pass it along! Any chance you can tell me when they'll be available?"

Paul: "We're working hard on it! Tell them that I'll be writing a blog soon that will address these concerns."

Joe: "Sounds great, bro! Talk to you soon!"

Paul: "Glad to have you on board with us, Joe. Let me know if you need anything else!"


I'm sure that Joe is afraid to ask Paul any real hardball questions, and if he does, he probably accepts any bullshit that Paul hands him in response.

I mean, what can Joe really do about any of this? UB is never going to straight with him or anyone else. And if he walks, he loses the lucrative deal they have going, and UB knows he won't do that.

forget getting any answers or blogs from UB Mr Mookman now that they placed CEREUS in the Blanca Gaming shell i'm pretty sure part of the reason for the new shell is to avoid answering the issues you raised or anything else connected to the scandal
Sebok got his marching orders that he is moving on, although he would like to help anyone get their HH and refunds but he is not in Costa Rico, then the Blanca announcement means UB is moving on as well

Druff do you believe Sebok is still credible or has he lost his credibility?

update from the excapsa90210 Liquidator:

http://www.wsbg.com/liquidation/Update% ... 202010.PDF


serious shit could start hitting the fame

Steve from Wicked Chops in an ESPN interview about chops investigation into the UB scandal says most of the Pro's were satisfied with their refunds and hand histories
is this true

about 8 min in

http://search.espn.go.com/s/overlay/vid ... =6&start=0

Here's the problem:

Most poker pros -- even some really good ones -- don't have a lot of experience with life outside the felt.

That is, they are very naive when it comes to financial matters and standing up for their rights.

Too many victims were so thrilled to see unexpected money from UB that they completely lost sight of the fact that it shouldn't have been stolen in the first place.

So they hear something about a cheating scandal, wonder what that means for them, get back $100,000 from UB, and suddenly feel like someone just did them a huge favor.

Never mind that the pro receiving $100,000 might have been cheated out of $200,000. Never mind that they don't get anything on top of that $100,000 for all of their emotional suffering, anguish, and loss of opportunity (bankroll) to have made more with that money. Never mind that the cheaters got away with it. Never mind that UB wouldn't have refunded a penny if they weren't forced to by mounting pressure within the community.

They're just happy to see $100,000 that they thought they'd never see.



Anyway, I don't believe that "most" poker pros are satisfied with their refunds. I still think that most people are really pissed about this.