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Harrah's is good at repeating mistakes, even obvious ones to avoid.

Is there someone you can talk to (harrah's, whoever) and not have ur live results posted?

This seems like a monumental fuck up on harrah's part.

More Stats from WSOP 2010...

Allen "Chainsaw" Kessler...Games Played...20...Total Profit...+$294,733

Bryan Micon...Games Played...21...Total Profit...-$27,833 (Super Tilt)

Daniel Negreanu...Games Played...32...Total Profit...-$81,967

Joe Sebok...Games Played...17...Total Profit...-$31,537 (Super Tilt)

Mike Matusow...Games Played...19...Total Profit...-$116,887

I think you are mistaken on this completely. There is a list of all entrants for every event on wsop.com. sharkscope is just compiling it..

Am I missing something here for I just don't understand the rant. It is ok for courts to post trial outcomes and full transcripts but harrahs god for bid posts registration lists and a website compiles it to get profit/loss info?

I called this type of outlash from pro's in the other thread that we discovered this in. Only because the shades have been drawn on how difficult it is to profit long term in tourny's and the deceptions portrayed for all these years of the glamorous life of name tournament players by ESPN/WPT/Etc are revealed that MANY of the household names that are paraded around are losing a lot of money without sponsorship.

I wish they would dig up registration lists for say past five years as well and compile them. It would be a laughable revealing. I am all for honesty instead of protected hiding of the truth in ANY avenue, poker should be no different.

I don't give a shit about certain pros being humiliated.

If these tournaments were all pros, I would agree that it would be nice to have a full list of entrants in each one.

However, tournaments are comprised of a combination of pros and amateurs -- ESPECIALLY the WSOP.

The amateurs should never be humiliated.

There is no upside from this list being posted.

I don't consider the opportunity to LOL at a few fake "tournament pros" to be an upside.

Poker is still gambling. It's played in a casino. It involves a lot of luck. No other form of casino gambling posts a list of its losers. The WSOP should not be an exception.

That's a bad example. The sixth amendment requires a public trial. Even civil courts are funded with taxpayer money.

The WSOP entry contract is between a private individual and a private corporation. I'm sure that contract allows Harrah's to do this dumb shit, but it's still a terrible idea. Pissing off your customers is usually a poor idea, but in this case, they know that they run by far the top poker tournament series of the year and that people will show up no matter what they do.

I really love the WSOP, and it would take a HUGE bedshit by Harrah's to make me want to boycott it.

But I still like calling them out for stupidity like this.

Like it or not, the WSOP is held out as some sort of pseudo-sporting event (see ESPN). There is an element of skill to it. The fact that amateurs get to play in it doesn't change that. People do think that winning at the WSOP is a measure of one's success as a poker player. The WSOP and ESPN certainly push that view.

I think you're drastically overblowing the amateur humiliation factor. I don't see why an amateur would be humiliated at not winning in the toughest poker tournament in the world (supposedly), but who knows, maybe some would be. Realistically speaking, amateurs are not the ones who are going to suffer from this list. Their names are not the ones that are going to be searched. On the flip side, the public does care at how these "pros" did. I guarantee you that Phil Hellmuth, Phil Ivey, Bryan Micon and Todd Witteles (last 2 because of Jewdonk) are the most searched names in Sharkscope.

Perhaps Harrah's should post all of the win/loss reports for slot players (maybe even individual machines ?) for the world to see ? They put up billboards bragging about the pay out rates.... Maybe they should list all the high limit Asians playing baccarat and how much they spew ? Obviously not, because it would cost them players and money.

Vegas exists in all of it's sordid glory on the myth that many people are winners, propped up by the countless tourists who come home and brag (exaggerate/ outright lie) to their coworkers about how well they did on their Vegas vacation playing xyz. If everybody saw the truth then the rate of incoming new money would be greatly impacted.

The myth of tournament poker can be viewed in the same light.




Tapping on the glass is rarely +ev.

Perfectly said.

As long as the media and tournament participants try to portray the WSOP/WPT as a skilled sport, then it should be treated as one. Everyone wants the bright light final tables with loud chanting like having AK beat pocket Jacks all-in is a skill, then Listing its "players" who participated is the general line taken for sporting events.

To proclaim that they are humiliating the amateurs by listing their results is like saying they humiliate the players in PGA tour events who miss the cut by freely listing them. I can go to the PGATour website right now and see that Zach Johnson shot a freakin +22 for the US Open and the worlds #9 Rory McIlroy failed to even make the cut. Along with any other participant. So the amateur can't portray to his buddies how good he is over beers with false stories any more than WSOP players now.

If players don't like it than get rid of the PPA and ESPN along with the sponsors and go back to what it was before.. A gambling image.

My point wasn't really about the fairness of it, I understand that angle, it was about whether or not it could have a negative impact on new money coming in. I don't know too many pros who would advocate doing anything to negatively impact the arrival of that new money.



Maybe it will be a non-issue as some have mentioned. It just seems counter-productive at first glance.




Who knows,... maybe it will have a net positive effect when it exposes some of the big names as cash burners or one hit wonders and shifts the spotlight on some good players with solid results that have gone mostly unnoticed, perhaps it will drive some new faces into the forefront.