Hi Micon, I just spoke with you on Stars about the issues going on with a Fulltilt payment processor making unauthorized charges to players who have made deposits onto Fulltilt.

I really hope you guys take a look at this and do a story on it because its really nuts that no poker media outlet has picked up on this. Many of the victims feel the poker media isnt covering this because they are afraid of losing FTP's advertising money. I knew Donkdown wouldnt be influenced by that sort of BS and that why i contacted you guys.

Basically the scam works like this:

Players deposit money onto Fulltilt using their Bank info

A few weeks later these players start to recieve unauthorized charges on their bank accounts. These charges are often the same amount as their Fulltilt deposit. These charges are showing up as PMI 8888758035 or PMI SALE on your bank statement.

the scamming company rarely answers phonecalls but if you do get them to answer (some ppl have called for months with no luck) they say that they had a glitch in their system and they will refund your money...which they do. They make their money scamming the people who dont notice. This is where my issue is with FTP and how they have handled the situation.

When players couldnt get in contact with PMI on the phone they contacted FTP with their issue. FTP responds by basically saying "we didnt take your money. Take it up with your bank or the company who charged your account". That is total BS for Fulltilt to say they arent responsible for these charges....after all these players gave their bank info to Fulltilt and not this PMI company. Fulltilt is aware that their players are being charged unauthorized charges yet they are doing nothing to make their players aware of this. I think a mass email from FTP is in order to warn their players to check their bank statements for these unauthorized charges.

Here is a link to the 2+2 thread with much more detail about this issue
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/in ... w-1011278/

I moved this to Shooting Off from the DD Radio forum since that forum doesn't get much action

So they were charging you for two holes when you only paid for one?

I AM SURPRISED FTP TAKES THAT APPROACH AS IT IS HORRIBLE PR IN A TIME THEY WHEN THEY WANT TO LOOK LIKE THE GOOD GUYS. IT IS THEIR SHADDY PAYMENT PROCESSOR SO IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.

THE PAYMENT PROCESSORS KNOWS THAT ITS DAYS ARE NUMBERED AND SINCE THEY ARE ALREADY CAUSING MULTIPLE CRIMES THEY FIGURE WHY NOT STEAL AS WELL. STEALING LIKE THEY ARE DOING ISNT GOING TO REALLY PUT THEM IN ANY MORE TROUBLE THEN THEY ARE ALREADY IN (ASSUMING THEY EVENTUALLY GET CAUGHT).

IT IS PRETTY FUCKED SITUATION BECAUSE EVEN IF FTP CUTS OFF A SHADY PROCESSOR THE PROCESSOR STILL HAS ALL OF YOUR INFORMATION. ACH WITHDRAWALS ARE THE WORST TOO BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN REALLY STOP THEM IS COMPLETELY SHUTTING DOWN YOUR ACCOUNT WHICH A COMPLETE PAIN IN THE ASS. PLUS MANY SITES MAKE YOU VERIFY YOUR ID BEFORE USING ECHECKS WHICH GIVES THEM EVEN MORE INFO ON YOU.

Looking for the multi-hole discount obv.