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DD Whale
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I was sent correspondence from GreenburgTraurig law firm saying they were seeking 5k in damages for me posting the Mason Malmuth mod post scandal and ebooks from scribd.com on TwoPlusTwo.me


Anyone have any advice or input?


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Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:33 am
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Yebsite wrote:
I was sent correspondence from GreenburgTraurig law firm saying they were seeking 5k in damages for me posting the Mason Malmuth mod post scandal and ebooks from scribd.com on [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=1188345]TwoPlusTwo.me[/url]
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Anyone have any advice or input?


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Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:57 am
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elaborate please...


Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:13 am
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All I am trying to do is make $200 with a website via ads/ selling shit/ commission. I can't go to school I have no money. CMONEYINVEGAS knows how but he won't tell me. That's why I hate him and his daughter...


Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:22 am
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Yebsite wrote:
All I am trying to do is make $200 with a website via ads/ selling shit/ commission. I can't go to school I have no money. CMONEYINVEGAS knows how but he won't tell me. That's why I hate him and his daughter...


More than a little uncalled for, IMO...

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Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:23 am
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starting to like you slightly more...

glad I didn't IP ban

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Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:24 am
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Elaborate?

You don't know what you are doing. There are legal risks associated with having a domain name related to another web site or legal entity.

There are ways of mitigating those risks.

If you don't know where the lines are and how to avoid crossing those lines, don't pull shit like this or you'll get your ass handed to you.


Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:36 am
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OK THEN WHAT SHOULD I DO WITH THE SITE?


Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:39 am
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Yebsite wrote:
OK THEN WHAT SHOULD I DO WITH THE SITE?


You did this for profit. Check

You used your domain name because it was similar to another. Check

You used content from the related site. Check

You "diminished" or "damaged" the 2+2 brand. Check

You acknowledged receipt of communication from the injured party. Check

You're website is incorporated as it's own business and insulated from you personally or your other business interests. Lol, sure.

You admitted this on a public forum. Check


You are fucked.


I know how to avoid digging a hole like this, you probably need professional help to get out of yours.


Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:51 am
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I love to cybersquat jewdonks face ...

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Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:52 am
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AMiller wrote:
Elaborate?

You don't know what you are doing. There are legal risks associated with having a domain name related to another web site or legal entity.

There are ways of mitigating those risks.

If you don't know where the lines are and how to avoid crossing those lines, don't pull shit like this or you'll get your ass handed to you.



AMiller wrote:
AMiller wrote:
OK THEN WHAT SHOULD I DO WITH THE SITE?


You did this for profit. Check

You used your domain name because it was similar to another. Check

You used content from the related site. Check

You "diminished" or "damaged" the 2+2 brand. Check

You acknowledged receipt of communication from the injured party. Check

You're website is incorporated as it's own business and insulated from you personally or your other business interests. Lol, sure.

You admitted this on a public forum. Check


You are fucked.


I know how to avoid digging a hole like this, you probably need professional help to get out of yours.


So there is nothing I could do with this site but surrender it to TwoPlusTwo?


Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:58 am
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Yebsite wrote:
Yebsite wrote:
Elaborate?

You don't know what you are doing. There are legal risks associated with having a domain name related to another web site or legal entity.

There are ways of mitigating those risks.

If you don't know where the lines are and how to avoid crossing those lines, don't pull shit like this or you'll get your ass handed to you.



Yebsite wrote:
Yebsite wrote:
OK THEN WHAT SHOULD I DO WITH THE SITE?


You did this for profit. Check

You used your domain name because it was similar to another. Check

You used content from the related site. Check

You "diminished" or "damaged" the 2+2 brand. Check

You acknowledged receipt of communication from the injured party. Check

You're website is incorporated as it's own business and insulated from you personally or your other business interests. Lol, sure.

You admitted this on a public forum. Check


You are fucked.


I know how to avoid digging a hole like this, you probably need professional help to get out of yours.


So there is nothing I could do with this site but surrender it to TwoPlusTwo?


You need help and I'm not qualified to give it.

If you could make the whole mess go away by giving up the site I'd do it. You haven't left yourself any wiggle room.

If they want to pursue you and extract a lot of money, the web site might be the only thing you have to bargain with and giving it up would be a mistake.

Even taking it down could be taken as an admission of guilt. Like I said, you need more help than I can provide.


Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:06 pm
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I didn't do shit... I am not worried. I have no money.


Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:12 pm
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Yebsite wrote:
I didn't do shit... I am not worried. I have no money.


You did "do shit".

If you had money, you'd be stupid not to worry.

If you have no money (and can prove it), they might decide to take the website in exchange for letting you off. Or, they could pile up some judgments in the hopes that you'll have some money someday.

You might be in a position to raise the stakes and motivate them to back off or pay you off, but you haven't shown me anything that leads me to believe you could pull it off.


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Yebsite actually brings up a good point.

If you don't have assets and are difficult/impossible to collect from, a lawsuit won't matter much.

In most cybersquatting situations, the plaintiff merely seeks to get their domain back, not recover financial losses.

You might want to watch out as far as republishing e-books for other premium material from Mason's site. That is a version of theft/piracy, and could carry criminal penalties.

Otherwise, you might just be best off ignoring the lawyer and letting him go through the whole expensive process of getting the domain back. It depends if you care about any possible judgment against you. If you don't, then have fun...


Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:20 pm
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Yebsite wrote:
I didn't do shit... I am not worried. I have no money.



IF THEY REALLY WANT TO GO AFTER YOUR BROKE ASS, THEY PROBABLY COULD.

SUING SOMEONE IS EXPENSIVE AND PRETTY MUCH POINTLESS IF THE PERSON YOU ARE SUING HAS NO ASSETS

THE 5K FIGURE IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THEY FIGURED YOU COULD SCRAP UP IF THEY SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF YOU

THEY COULD GO AFTER YOU FOR THEFT, BUT AGAIN, EXPENSIVE AND POINTLESS

JUST GIVE THEM THE DOMAIN BACK AND APOLOGIZE. YOU STAND NOTHING TO GAIN FROM KEEPING IT. YOU ARE CLEARLY A MORON FOR REGISTERING THIS DOMAIN WITH IDEA OF MAKING ANY MONEY.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO CYBERSQUAT, AT LEAST DO IT WITH A GOOD DOMAIN.

IE, I BOUGHT BROCKLESNAR.COM FROM SOMEONE THAT HAD IT SINCE 2000 BEFORE HE WAS FAMOUS AND GOT PAID NICELY A FEW MONTHS AGO FOR IT. IT WASN'T TECHNICALLY CYBER SQUATTING BUT YOU GET THE IDEA


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cmoneyinvegas wrote:
cmoneyinvegas wrote:
I didn't do shit... I am not worried. I have no money.



IF THEY REALLY WANT TO GO AFTER YOUR BROKE ASS, THEY PROBABLY COULD.

SUING SOMEONE IS EXPENSIVE AND PRETTY MUCH POINTLESS IF THE PERSON YOU ARE SUING HAS NO ASSETS

THE 5K FIGURE IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THEY FIGURED YOU COULD SCRAP UP IF THEY SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF YOU

THEY COULD GO AFTER YOU FOR THEFT, BUT AGAIN, EXPENSIVE AND POINTLESS

JUST GIVE THEM THE DOMAIN BACK AND APOLOGIZE. YOU STAND NOTHING TO GAIN FROM KEEPING IT. YOU ARE CLEARLY A MORON FOR REGISTERING THIS DOMAIN WITH IDEA OF MAKING ANY MONEY.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO CYBERSQUAT, AT LEAST DO IT WITH A GOOD DOMAIN.

IE, I BOUGHT BROCKLESNAR.COM FROM SOMEONE THAT HAD IT SINCE 2000 BEFORE HE WAS FAMOUS AND GOT PAID NICELY A FEW MONTHS AGO FOR IT. IT WASN'T TECHNICALLY CYBER SQUATTING BUT YOU GET THE IDEA


Tell me something I don't know...


Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:27 pm
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Yebsite wrote:
Yebsite wrote:
Yebsite wrote:
I didn't do shit... I am not worried. I have no money.



IF THEY REALLY WANT TO GO AFTER YOUR BROKE ASS, THEY PROBABLY COULD.

SUING SOMEONE IS EXPENSIVE AND PRETTY MUCH POINTLESS IF THE PERSON YOU ARE SUING HAS NO ASSETS

THE 5K FIGURE IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THEY FIGURED YOU COULD SCRAP UP IF THEY SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF YOU

THEY COULD GO AFTER YOU FOR THEFT, BUT AGAIN, EXPENSIVE AND POINTLESS

JUST GIVE THEM THE DOMAIN BACK AND APOLOGIZE. YOU STAND NOTHING TO GAIN FROM KEEPING IT. YOU ARE CLEARLY A MORON FOR REGISTERING THIS DOMAIN WITH IDEA OF MAKING ANY MONEY.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO CYBERSQUAT, AT LEAST DO IT WITH A GOOD DOMAIN.

IE, I BOUGHT BROCKLESNAR.COM FROM SOMEONE THAT HAD IT SINCE 2000 BEFORE HE WAS FAMOUS AND GOT PAID NICELY A FEW MONTHS AGO FOR IT. IT WASN'T TECHNICALLY CYBER SQUATTING BUT YOU GET THE IDEA


Tell me something I don't know...



IF YOU KNEW IT, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE DONE SOMETHING SO FUCKING STUPID

AT LEAST TELL THE LAWYER AND MASON TO FUCK OFF AND POST THE CORRESPONDENCE. THAT WOULD MAKE FOR A MILDLY ENTERTAINING THREAD


Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:32 pm
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cmoneyinvegas wrote:
cmoneyinvegas wrote:
cmoneyinvegas wrote:
cmoneyinvegas wrote:
I didn't do shit... I am not worried. I have no money.



IF THEY REALLY WANT TO GO AFTER YOUR BROKE ASS, THEY PROBABLY COULD.

SUING SOMEONE IS EXPENSIVE AND PRETTY MUCH POINTLESS IF THE PERSON YOU ARE SUING HAS NO ASSETS

THE 5K FIGURE IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THEY FIGURED YOU COULD SCRAP UP IF THEY SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF YOU

THEY COULD GO AFTER YOU FOR THEFT, BUT AGAIN, EXPENSIVE AND POINTLESS

JUST GIVE THEM THE DOMAIN BACK AND APOLOGIZE. YOU STAND NOTHING TO GAIN FROM KEEPING IT. YOU ARE CLEARLY A MORON FOR REGISTERING THIS DOMAIN WITH IDEA OF MAKING ANY MONEY.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO CYBERSQUAT, AT LEAST DO IT WITH A GOOD DOMAIN.

IE, I BOUGHT BROCKLESNAR.COM FROM SOMEONE THAT HAD IT SINCE 2000 BEFORE HE WAS FAMOUS AND GOT PAID NICELY A FEW MONTHS AGO FOR IT. IT WASN'T TECHNICALLY CYBER SQUATTING BUT YOU GET THE IDEA


Tell me something I don't know...



IF YOU KNEW IT, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE DONE SOMETHING SO FUCKING STUPID

AT LEAST TELL THE LAWYER AND MASON TO FUCK OFF AND POST THE CORRESPONDENCE. THAT WOULD MAKE FOR A MILDLY ENTERTAINING THREAD


I DID!

Mr. SUCK MY ROCK,

I have discussed this matter with our client. While we sympathize with your alleged financial situation, we do not believe this matter can be successfully resolved without any reasonable restitution to our client.

Based on your multiple aliases, domain registrations, listed addresses, and I.P. data, we are skeptical of your assertion that the TWOPLUSTWO.ME registration was an isolated domain name registered without an intent to profit. We also have reason to believe that you have personally bombarded our client's forums with numerous insulting, derogatory, and "spam"-style posts in violation of Two Plus Two's terms and conditions. We also have reason to believe that you have registered the <PUKERSTARS.COM> domain name and operated the accompanying website, where further derogatory comments about our client were publicly posted. In sum, it appears you have continuously attempted to damage our client on several occasions.

If you have any info or documentation that would cause us to reconsider these beliefs, please provide them to us as soon as possible. If not, our client currently stands behind its recent settlement demand of: (i) immediate transfer of the domain name at issue, (ii) notice and transfer of all other domains containing or relating to Two Plus Two's intellectual property, and (iii) $5,000.00 in reimbursement to partially cover our client's damages and its expenses in pursuing this matter - as outlined in our August 26, 2009 correspondence.

Please let us know by the end of this week, September 18, 2009, if you are willing to comply with our settlement proposal.

Feel free to contact me with any questions.

Regards,

Tyler


Tyler Andrews
Associate | Licensed in Nevada and California
Greenberg Traurig, LLP | Suite 400 North
3773 Howard Hughes Parkway | Las Vegas, Nevada 89169
Tel 702.938.6849
andrewst@gtlaw.com | www.gtlaw.com




Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:44 pm
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Yebsite wrote:
Yebsite wrote:
Yebsite wrote:
Yebsite wrote:
Yebsite wrote:
I didn't do shit... I am not worried. I have no money.



IF THEY REALLY WANT TO GO AFTER YOUR BROKE ASS, THEY PROBABLY COULD.

SUING SOMEONE IS EXPENSIVE AND PRETTY MUCH POINTLESS IF THE PERSON YOU ARE SUING HAS NO ASSETS

THE 5K FIGURE IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THEY FIGURED YOU COULD SCRAP UP IF THEY SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF YOU

THEY COULD GO AFTER YOU FOR THEFT, BUT AGAIN, EXPENSIVE AND POINTLESS

JUST GIVE THEM THE DOMAIN BACK AND APOLOGIZE. YOU STAND NOTHING TO GAIN FROM KEEPING IT. YOU ARE CLEARLY A MORON FOR REGISTERING THIS DOMAIN WITH IDEA OF MAKING ANY MONEY.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO CYBERSQUAT, AT LEAST DO IT WITH A GOOD DOMAIN.

IE, I BOUGHT BROCKLESNAR.COM FROM SOMEONE THAT HAD IT SINCE 2000 BEFORE HE WAS FAMOUS AND GOT PAID NICELY A FEW MONTHS AGO FOR IT. IT WASN'T TECHNICALLY CYBER SQUATTING BUT YOU GET THE IDEA


Tell me something I don't know...



IF YOU KNEW IT, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE DONE SOMETHING SO FUCKING STUPID

AT LEAST TELL THE LAWYER AND MASON TO FUCK OFF AND POST THE CORRESPONDENCE. THAT WOULD MAKE FOR A MILDLY ENTERTAINING THREAD


I DID!

Mr. SUCK MY ROCK,

I have discussed this matter with our client. While we sympathize with your alleged financial situation, we do not believe this matter can be successfully resolved without any reasonable restitution to our client.

Based on your multiple aliases, domain registrations, listed addresses, and I.P. data, we are skeptical of your assertion that the TWOPLUSTWO.ME registration was an isolated domain name registered without an intent to profit. We also have reason to believe that you have personally bombarded our client's forums with numerous insulting, derogatory, and "spam"-style posts in violation of Two Plus Two's terms and conditions. We also have reason to believe that you have registered the <PUKERSTARS.COM> domain name and operated the accompanying website, where further derogatory comments about our client were publicly posted. In sum, it appears you have continuously attempted to damage our client on several occasions.

If you have any info or documentation that would cause us to reconsider these beliefs, please provide them to us as soon as possible. If not, our client currently stands behind its recent settlement demand of: (i) immediate transfer of the domain name at issue, (ii) notice and transfer of all other domains containing or relating to Two Plus Two's intellectual property, and (iii) $5,000.00 in reimbursement to partially cover our client's damages and its expenses in pursuing this matter - as outlined in our August 26, 2009 correspondence.

Please let us know by the end of this week, September 18, 2009, if you are willing to comply with our settlement proposal.

Feel free to contact me with any questions.

Regards,

Tyler


Tyler Andrews
Associate | Licensed in Nevada and California
Greenberg Traurig, LLP | Suite 400 North
3773 Howard Hughes Parkway | Las Vegas, Nevada 89169
Tel 702.938.6849
andrewst@gtlaw.com | www.gtlaw.com




LOL. MASON IS JUST TRYING TO GET A FREE ROLL ON THE LAWYER FEES

THERE'S YOUR BOY!

[url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=1188408]http://www.gtlaw.com/People/TylerRAndrews[/url]



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