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Blowin' up spots: Sorel Mizzi tells of Roland de Wolfe bet welch
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Pretty sick story Sorel Mizzi just told me, and he gave me permission to post this. When DD 2.0 launches, this story will be the first in a series called "blowin' up spots"
Anyway,
Here are the bulletpoints, I'm about to write a full story on front page and link it to this official discussion thread
-- Sorrel, Roland de Wolfe, and another player agree to a $5k last longer at a ceasars 5k event
-- Roland was "showing his cards to another player and the dealer accused him of cheating" according to Mizzi
-- Roland then struck the dealer in some way. In this reporter's opinion the range is pretty wide here on how hard and exactly how Roland struck the dealer, but it seems evident physical contact was made.
-- Roland de Wolfe was kicked out of the tourney, disqualified and his chips were removed from play
-- Roland does not pay the 5k last longer
-- Roland was according to Mizzi somewhat short stacked, well behind his last longer opponents
Moar later see the wsop updates I have 50k+ in the 1500 6max
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| Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:16 pm |
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tbuck27
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Would seem fairly standard that Roland owes the last longer. Getting DQ'd is part of the EV equation when deciding to make a bet like this, in much the same way that someone who passes out in a drinking contest would lose, regardless of how far ahead or behind they were in alcohol consumption prior to their unconsciousness.
Roland needs to do the right thing here and ship the breads to freds.
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| Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:25 pm |
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Headshot
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Makes no difference how he busted, he didn't "last longer" than the other guys.
Getting kicked out is the same as getting knocked out to me.
Pay up or spot gets blown obv
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miconswife
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| Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:53 pm |
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BeerAndPoker
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DQ is a form of losing and if it wasn't then anyone could pull stupid shit in a prop bet to get out of it.
Wolfe needs to "pay him, pay dat man his money"
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| Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:57 pm |
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*yawn*
A spade is a spade and roland de wolf is a scumbag plain and simple.
I have a suggestion for the overall production of "blowin' up spots".
We use the same template as the show "cheaters" with druff on camera and micon interviewing.
Think how much better the "scotty nguyen does coke in a stall" edition of "blowin' up spots" would be with hard hitting footage.
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| Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:32 pm |
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Avon Barksdale
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Sorel Mizzi is a lying, cheating scumbag as well. Glad he got screwed out of his bet.
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| Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:50 pm |
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WillieMcFML
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 And Roland will always hold a special place in my heart after he made fun of David Williams for playing Magik.
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| Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:58 pm |
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DanDruff
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Don't know anything about him lying and cheating, but I definitely think the guy is an asshole. The following happened on Pokerstars a few years ago: At the time, Mizzi was a lousy LHE player (though I hear he's improved since then), and would occasionally take shots at the 200-400 Pokerstars game. Obviously everyone would line up to play in those games. Mizzi realized this, and probably resented it, so he was table-hopping like a madman. Obviously the entire game would follow wherever he went. Note that this was NOT a ruined heads-up match, but rather a guy jumping from a 6-max game to an empty table, letting it fill for about 10 minutes, and jumping again. Every time Mizzi moved, there was a race to get the other 5 seats, with a few people always getting shut out. This repeated at least 5 times in about an hour. In the meantime, the site was equaling a huge joke, and I was down 20k. (This doesn't have much bearing on the story, but thought I'd throw it in.) Finally, baronzeus decided to take up residence at a bunch of Stars 200-400 tables by himself, hoping to ensure a seat if Mizzi were to sit at one of his. Sure enough, Mizzi jumped to one of baronzeus' tables. I quickly sat there, and was the first one at the scene. Mizzi then said "hu plz", and I was expected to leave. baronzeus quickly chimed in "hu plz" as well, being thrilled to have the donk to himself. Well, I wasn't having this. I am very respectful of hu games in most cases. If two guys are playing heads up, and I try to sit with them, I will leave if both request heads up, even if one is a huge donk. If two guys at a table decide to leave and go play heads up, again I typically respect that. However, this was just a lame attempt by baronzeus to steal the donk's action. As far as I was concerned, this new table was just an extension of the 6 tables that had been running within the prior hour. Mizzi clearly had no plans to play heads up with baronzeus, but rather was just engaging in his usual table-hopping, until he came up with the clever "hu please" ruse to prevent others from sitting. So I refused to leave. A few of Mizzi's friends sat in the game just to chat, and were razzing me really hard for this. I didn't care, and said that I cannot respect a heads up "match" that really wasn't one. Everyone sat out, and a stalemate occurred. I still refused to leave. Mizzi then went off on me with a ton of profanity, and it eventually degenerated into implied threats that he would "handle this in person" next time he saw me, to which I said he was welcome to do so. Ever since then, I haven't thought too highly of the guy. We've seen each other around the Rio a number of times over the last few years, but we just ignore each other. While I disagree with his belief that he had the right to demand I leave the table, I don't fault him for that. We just had different opinions on the matter. What I do hold against him was the way he talked to me after that, including making veiled threats. F him. On a side note, I do agree that Roland should pay him, provided that this story is accurate.
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| Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:31 pm |
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If both players want hu I think you should give it to them.
I don't see why you treated that situation differently. Both players wanted hu.
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| Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:42 pm |
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DanDruff
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Because that isn't what I consider a heads-up match. A guy who plays 6-max for an hour, hopping from table to table because he resents being followed around, can't just suddenly say "hu please" with a random opponent at his next table 30 seconds later, and expect everyone to clear out. Stars doesn't have heads-up, high-limit tables for a reason. They want anyone to be able to play at any table at any time. With that said, I feel that poker etiquette states that you shouldn't "ruin heads up matches". That is, if two people have been playing an existing heads-up match, or if they are just about to get one started, it is bad form to sit and prevent that. However, if the "hu please" is clearly just a way for a guy to get a donk to himself, or if it's the donk's way to stop people from chasing him after he's been playing and table-hopping for an hour, I don't feel that deserves the same respect. I also take into consideration who the donk is. If it's some lifetime donator on the site, I will often respect it anyway, just to keep the donk happy. If the "donk" is actually a pro player who is good in other games but just bad in LHE, I know he'll be back regardless. Some people don't respect the "hu please" at all on Stars. Others respect it under all circumstances. I am in the middle. I will respect it if I feel it's a real heads-up match, and I won't if I think it's a bullshit way just to get me off the table.
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| Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:50 pm |
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DanDruff
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BTW, the solution I propose in these spots (as I did when it happened 3 years ago) is to offer that they start another table, play heads up there, and continue playing at my table at the same time.
They refused that, because obviously it went against what Mizzi was trying to accomplish (not let anyone follow him anymore).
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| Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:53 pm |
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Druff, it is common knowledge for online poker players that Sorel is a cheater/MAAer.
Both are tools, imo.
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| Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:04 am |
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Avon Barksdale
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About a year and a half old:  |  |  |  | Quote: Mizzi Now Banned From PokerStars, Too
Published: Friday, October 24, 2008 Online-Casinos.com
MIZZI NOW BANNED FROM POKERSTARS, TOO
High profile online player adds to his Full Tilt ban
High profile professional Internet poker players, who should know better, continue to break the multi accounting rule at major online poker websites like PokerStars, Full Tilt and PartyPoker. Some of these role models are perhaps tempted by the significant amount of hard cash available in games on the Internet, and knowingly take the risk - but the embarrassing publicity of a ban often follows.
According to the poker information site AintLuck.com this week, the latest to be caught out in this form of cheating at PokerStars.com is the successful and high profile young pro Sorel "Imper1um" Mizzi who has been fortunate to have the six months exclusion originally handed to him for multi accounting reduced to three months after an appeal to the PokerStars management.
Mizzi should definitely know better - he was banned in an embarrassingly public incident at Full Tilt Poker last year for playing on another player's account in a major tournament.
On this occasion, Mizzi said he was playing in an important online tournament when he ran out of time and had to make a dash for the airport. Rather than abandon the game he asked a friend to continue playing for him. Details of how PokerStars caught on to the ruse are not available, but it illustrates the dangers of trying to pull a fast one on the world's biggest online poker website.
With the aid of Friend Google, a quick look back shows that multi accounting bans have been handed out to several top online players.
One of the most notorious involved Mizzi (again) and took place at Full Tilt Poker around this time a year back. Player "BluffMagCV", who subsequently turned out to be a poker writer, made some remarkable wins at the Sunday Millions tourneys at FT, repeating the success as "SlippyJacks" the following week at PokerStars. Quite an achievement. Until player "Kongsgaard" stepped forward with the news that the FT tourney had been awarded to him following a disqualification. It later transpired that Mizzi had been playing for "BluffMagCV" on the promise of a share in the significant winnings.
The PartyPoker case against "JJ Prodigy" aka Josh Field was the subject of extensive publicity. At 16 years old, he was caught by PartyPoker as a multi accounting cheater, initially attracting attention by boasting on IMs to friends after winning a $140 000 plus first prize in a $500 000 guaranteed event. Unfortunately for "JJ" his friends took up the boast on poker forums and other players realised that the winner of the tourney had actually been one "ABlackCar" - "JJ" had actually busted out early. Hoist by his own petard, JJ was busted in another, and even more unpleasant way, by the PP management. And he was stripped of his prize, together with $40 000 in another account.
Field also ran afoul of PokerStars when, already banned, he apparently opened new accounts, funding the accounts via accomplices and the PS transfer facility. When this was discovered, PokerStars threw the book at this multi-accounter, along with his "friends" and bans were handed out all round, precluding Field from participating in at least one major and lucrative tournament. For reasons best known to himself, "JJ" exacerbated the issue by publicly apologising....admitting that he had continued to multi-account after the ban!
Both PokerStars and Full Tilt multi-accounting bans were handed to Nick "gbmantis" Niergarth after the discovery of a sophisticated cheating scandal involving other players including JJProdigy. Niergarth played in the biggest tournaments on both sites regularly and was caught using the accounts of "friends" to play, taking over late in tournaments after he had already been eliminated.
Full Tilt pro and CardRunners instructor Brian Townsend was caught multi-accounting in some of the biggest online poker games online. Playing 25-50 Pot Limit Omaha all the way up to 200-400 Pot Limit Omaha, Townsend, who is respected as a formidable cash game player and uses the online screen name "sbrugby", created a second account as "Stellarnebula" under another 'handle' to disguise his identity from opposing players. He was accused of doing the same at PokerStars using the screen name "Makersmark66."
British pro Mark Telscher made the multi-accounting headlines in the widely publicised "TheV0id" affair, which cost him a huge prize purse when PokerStars stripped him of a WCOOP first prize worth $1.2 million - one of the biggest in online history. A successful and experienced player, Telscher set up "TheV0id" account in the name of his sister Natalie. He was then found to have used the account to play after he had himself been eliminated. The duo initially kicked up a huge fuss but PokerStars prevailed.
Then 20-year-old Justin "ZeeJustin" Bonomo was accused by both Party Poker and Pokerstars of multi-accounting and suffered a ban and the confiscation of some $100 000 from his accounts. Reports suggest that he brought suspicion on himself by boasting on a poker forum about his discovery of a PartyPoker software flaw that allowed a player to rapidly click on the Party Poker icon and open up new sessions. Each new Party Poker session could be logged in with a different account, and this is what he was accused of doing, using up to 6 accounts in the same multi-table tournament. It transpired that he had multiple accounts and was entering multi-table tournaments at both Party Poker and Poker Stars.
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DanDruff
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Oh yeah, I remember the one where he took over for the Bluff Magazine writer.
That was pretty bad.
One good thing about tournaments is that you're usually not facing the best 8 players in the tournament at the final table. Often lucky but not-so-skilled players make it very deep in tournaments, thanks to just cards alone.
Imagine if all of those lousy players were allowed to hand their stack over to top tourney pros when they got deep. That would be an amazing advantage for both the lousy player and the tourney pro, who would only have to spend his time and energy at the end of tournaments when it really mattered.
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| Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:22 am |
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Today's poker lesson: cheat
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| Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:30 am |
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1) Mizzi is a stand up guy at this point in time IMO. I have respect for him as a player and a person.
2) Even if he was a scumbag he deserves the $5k
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