Late registrants for any event will be subject to the following rules in addition to all other rules. A late registrant is defined as a player that registers for an event after the Tournament has officially started. Any player registering for an event after all initial tables allocated for that tournament have been filled will begin play at the start of the subsequent level. All late registrants will start the Tournament with a full chip stack. In games with blinds, a player who enters during the first round of play will receive no penalty so long as the blinds have not passed their starting position. Players who enter after the first round of blinds must wait until their first opportunity to post to begin play. In games with only antes, the player must ante at their first opportunity. In mixed events such as HORSE, late entries after the first round of play must wait to post in blind games, and ante in stud games at their first opportunity.
I try to explain this in this video blog:
More thoughts:
1) You are at Harrah's mercy for allocating enough tables. If they don't allocate enough tables or get more entrants than anticipated, you could register at 12:01 and may have to wait until 1:00 to play your first hand.
2) It doesn't matter that they have a full table of players, a dealer, chips and cards and are ready to go with the level ticking away. you will sit doing nothing until the next level begins.
3) If you are lucky and Harrah's allocated too many tables for the event, whenever you register from Noon - 2:00pm you will just sit down and play.
4) This rule is totally against the spirit of the WSOP. the WSOP are open events and should be as inviting to gamblers as possible. The tournament should always encourage action, should always be a fun and immediate gamble for the casual poker player. You should be in action as fast as possible once you pay your money at the cage. That is part of the mystique and nature of the WSOP.
Please ask me questions, as I know this is a little hard to understand and I may not be explaining it clear enough, as i'm really fired up about it right now
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Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:28 pm
DougLeePoker
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Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:44 pm
ProfessionalSpectator
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There was a big thread on 4 about this issue. It's a retarded new rule. For the main event, if you late register 15 minutes after it starts and all "allocated" tables have been filled, you don't play a hand for another 1 hour and 45 minutes, until level 2 begins.
Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:46 pm
DanDruff
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Every year, Harrah's manages to introduce something new to fuck things up.
Compared to other fuckups, though, this is actually minor.
It's retarded -- just minor.
Just register the night before and this won't be a problem.
I almost never register after an event starts.
Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:26 pm
cleatus
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hey man, do you need a wake up call? Tip, send a pic of yourself to casting agents with your shirt off and hair gone. Ya could be in the next film that needs nazi concentration camp survivors.
I know that one of the reasons that they implemented this is because of the shenanigans that people were pulling last year. They would register late, get assigned to a table, and were allowed to then unregister from the tournament(as long as they didn't sit down). Not only were they gaining an unfair advantage by "table selecting", but they were also taking advantage of the fact that once they unregistered and then re-registered, they were given a food comp each time, since Harrah's right hand obv doesn't know what the left hand is doing. I remember reading some guy's brag last year that he did this over a dozen times and got a ton of vouchers on top of huge EV in table selection.
Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:14 am
budman
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DanDruff wrote:
Every year, Harrah's manages to introduce something new to fuck things up.
and every year many disgruntled poker players whine and complain all over the internet yet STILL show up in near record numbers with money in hand to play the events
Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:52 am
ShizzMoney
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budman wrote:
DanDruff wrote:
Every year, Harrah's manages to introduce something new to fuck things up.
and every year many disgruntled poker players whine and complain all over the internet yet STILL show up in near record numbers with money in hand to play the events
Unfortunately, very true. No matter how bad things seem to get, people still want their action.
Looks like late reg isn't the only thing Harrah's is fucking up on:
The $1500 PLHE event just ended play for the night 2 eliminations away from the money. Despite overwhelming support for playing until reaching the money from the players and the staff present on the scene, Jack Effel, sitting at home, ordered play to stop.
This decision shows a blatant disregard for the paying customers of the WSOP. First of all, people want to play tomorrow's event. Additionally, making shortstacks come back to play another day to bubble immediately is just cruel.
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Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:49 am
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So basically Micon, you pay your buy in and have to sit there for a hour even if there are five or six players sitting? That's Bullshit!!! The rule should say as long as there are 6 players seated the tourney will start at that table.
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Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:38 pm
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Alarm clocks are +ev in this situation.
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Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:02 pm
DanDruff
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tbuck27 wrote:
I know that one of the reasons that they implemented this is because of the shenanigans that people were pulling last year. They would register late, get assigned to a table, and were allowed to then unregister from the tournament(as long as they didn't sit down). Not only were they gaining an unfair advantage by "table selecting", but they were also taking advantage of the fact that once they unregistered and then re-registered, they were given a food comp each time, since Harrah's right hand obv doesn't know what the left hand is doing. I remember reading some guy's brag last year that he did this over a dozen times and got a ton of vouchers on top of huge EV in table selection.
This is a good point, but they could fight this by simply refusing to let people unregister after the event has started -- the same way it works online.
I think Harrah's is already doing this, by giving you a one-time exception with allowing an un-register during the first 2 levels, and after that forcing you to either play or surrender the $.
BTW, not that it made a big difference, but I got an extra $10 voucher when I unregistered from event 11 and transferred the funds to event 12. I didn't do it for the extra voucher, but because the registration for 11 was a mistake in the first place. But yes, it's possible to still roll them for vouchers in this manner.
Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:59 am
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Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:42 pm
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1) late registration is a part of poker tourneys
2) Harrahs must embrace this as opposed to fight it
3) late reg boosts the prize pool and lets "action" players come late when the blinds are up and just get a gamble without the benefit of the early levels.
4) when you come late you lose alot of EV, as bad players tend to bust early. Also the blinds are up. Lets make the tourney inviting to players willing to give up that equity.
5) players and dealers sitting and NOT dealing for 40+ minutes in some cases while level 2 ticks away is insane. No less than insane.
Jack Effel please listen to reason and re-think this policy
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Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:54 am
LuckyStake
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Is the late registration is still open? When will be the last day?